Montesino Main Event-- Hand--

say: "do you really want a coinflip this early?"
then pause
then say: "ok awin"

Where is the event held and what nationality is the player u are up against?
It may sound generalizing but in some country in Europe players are soo bad that they will stack of here pf with much worse than KK

I have seen 2 times ppl going broke literally in the first 3 hands of the EPT-structure events with QQ aipf

Move in, he'll call u with KK-AK.

the event is held in wien(austria) and i belive that the guy is local,also i rember now that next to his stack there are like 2k euro in chips ..he propably comes from the table..so i suppose he is some 5/10 dude ...

so now back to the hand ....I think for like 30 sec and decide to call...flop 4 5 10r ,i check he bets 6k...now what is my action?

call and donk bet the turn ?call and check/reise allin on the turn?or just shove for the rest?

thnak you

just shove,he prolly have QQ-KK and with 1/2 his stack in he will call

Easy ship now imo. He is gonna show up with JJ/QQ/KK so much of the times. And has his betsize imo makes it think he is never folding and is committed to the pot. If he spiked a set on flop, then boohoo, move on to the next one.

WE JAM AND SCREAM PROFANITIES AT HIM IF HE BEATS US.

unlucky ... he had TT

i like 7400, you can still conceivably be bluffing here
he actually could very well be bluffing you though.
doesn't really make sense to make it 3400 with QQ KK unless he plan to get 6bet bluffed and 7bet jam it, or he is 5bet info raise/folding qq-kk. But i think its a bit more weighted to total shit or hes a total retard whos willing to get it in with QQ-KK/AK here.
seems better to just flat with QQ-KK vs your 4bet.

given the options are hes a retard and overvalues QQ-KK/AK or hes 5bet/folding for info with QQ-KK,AK or hes 5bet bluffing with shit JTs,T9s,93s,Axs,i dont see why he turn a pocket pair into a bluff instead of set mine it IP vs the 4bet.
i think we have to just call here and check flop. Although you are going to hate yourself, when he flops, if he hits top pair like Jxx, on JTs hes probably going to check it behind and try to get to showdown Or hes going to bet/fold it thats why i think hell check it down. Hell check back singlepair 30%, bet nuts 4%, bets flush draw 12%, 6% improve his single pair to nuts. So like 15% you auto stacking yourself when you flat. when he whiffs which seems like 54% hell cbet/fold prob never double barrel. So when he bets u can expect like 24% flshdraw, 8% nuts, 68% airball.
if board comes empty and hes got QQ-KK hes going to be betting getting it in for sure imo because this assumes hes retarded and was stacking off preflop anyway. (however little sense it makes) Even if he was 5bet folding for info with QQ-KK now that u just called, hes prob still going to get it in now. So i change my mind, I like flat because i think its more likely hes bluffing than he is wanting to get it in. FML if hes small pair doing this and then just shutting down if u flat unless he hits set.

actually of all the hands to 5bet for him, i like it most with pairs because u can simply shutdown or hit set and get it in. and make bigger pairs than yours fold instead of trying to setmine them in a 4bet pot. and it also should push out your 4bet bluffs whatever range that is lol. And it might induce what happens right here, for you not to 6bet AA because you think hes fos and not stacking off with QQ-KK. So he gets a free shot at your AA when you flat.
thats cool play with medium/small pairs, the 5bet fold, hit set or not continue.
So really a 6bet by you, looks like bluff. cause his 5bet looks like bluff.
but can he really jam a med pair over your 6bet on 4th hand, thats madness no way.

FYL if he 5bets medium/small pairs. Pray to god hes shit or a retard with QQ-KK/AK
i mean youd think med/small pair would flat the 4bet pay 1000 IP to try to set mine. But no, turn it into a bluff saying AA, and make the 4bet bluffs fold, make AA thnk you are bluffing and flat.

i don't know the best move

Really wood, I think you are out leveling yourself here. Villian is a retard if he has 22-JJ and is stacking off with QQ-AA. No other option in this hand but to shove all in on this flop vs his cbet

oh i didnt see the 2nd post, we flat board comes T54 no flush draw, we check he bets 6k into 7k.
i think c/r allin is best.

Gotta go allin, can't let him draw out with 67

I don't see how we can't jam/raise over here without him calling a huge %. he's pretty much made up his mind once he 5 bets...if he has anything at all he'll call. if he's on pure air which is probably a very small % of his range then he'll fold.

RAISE.......10k on top

allin

thnaks for the comments ...i shove he insta call ..he shows 1010 ..gg me

the only reason to post this was to see how mnay of you will call the 5bet and if the 6bet to 7000-7500 will be better...after the event i was thinking a lot what is the best play given the scenario ,and i still belive that the flat call is the best play most of the time.


i don't want to start a new threat but i want to have some opinions of this hand:


FT of the 200e1r1a ----100 players... 13k for first we are 6 left i got like 120k average is betwen 90k to 100k

Blinds 4000/8000

I'm BB with A9o eveybody folds to SB who shoves 60k..

he is agro player with good results i played a lot with him,i'm sure that 80%of the time i'm favorite here and it is an insta call

but the problem is this...table is week very, tights players who they main concerne is to get one place higher in to the money.

i obv want to win and i play to win.

So should i call here and take the 60/40,or fold and take advantage of the players from the table and not to risk to losse the hand and become the short of the table?

You cannot pass a 60/40 edge because you think you may have even bigger edge.

Yeah, if you think you got an edge there, you should be snapping that. If you loose it, you still got plenty of chips, and with blinds being so lol high, a few steals and you got your chips back again.

I would def call. If the table is that weak we can still outplay them with 60k np. It's not a satellite ffs

On December 31 2009 05:09 marllboro wrote: thnaks for the comments ...i shove he insta call ..he shows 1010 ..gg me the only reason to post this was to see how mnay of you will call the 5bet and if the 6bet to 7000-7500 will be better...after the event i was thinking a lot what is the best play given the scenario ,and i still belive that the flat call is the best play most of the time. i don't want to start a new threat but i want to have some opinions of this hand: FT of the 200e1r1a ----100 players... 13k for first we are 6 left i got like 120k average is betwen 90k to 100k Blinds 4000/8000 I'm BB with A9o eveybody folds to SB who shoves 60k.. he is agro player with good results i played a lot with him,i'm sure that 80%of the time i'm favorite here and it is an insta call but the problem is this...table is week very, tights players who they main concerne is to get one place higher in to the money. i obv want to win and i play to win. So should i call here and take the 60/40,or fold and take advantage of the players from the table and not to risk to losse the hand and become the short of the table?

folding here pretty much turns you into one of those weak players you claim you are not ;p