sng hand 30 $

is this ok, good or bad?

Submitted by : piratematerial

PokerStars Game #37363336529: Tournament #226621662, $30+$3 USD Holdem No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2009/12/29 14:20:39 ET
Table 226621662 1 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Hearthbeat (550 in chips)
Seat 2: Barns18 (790 in chips)
Seat 3: denver monst (1420 in chips)
Seat 4: pokerhaasje (3445 in chips)
Seat 5: Rage_Ice (1420 in chips)
Seat 7: davehelder (3140 in chips)
Seat 9: PoolDude (2735 in chips)
davehelder: posts small blind 75
PoolDude: posts big blind 150

Holecards
Dealt to pokerhaasje
Hearthbeat: folds
Barns18: raises 640 to 790 and is all-in
denver monst: folds
pokerhaasje: raises 2655 to 3445 and is all-in

Um, what is the structure? Is this a single table SNG? What is the payouts? Notes on villain? Personally do not like it, as you have invested nothing into the pot, and you do not exactly have a large chipcount. What exactly are you acheving by pushing this? You have no Ace. So right now, A2o beats you. If you are called you are gonna be racing with not one, but two people. This hand is fine for raising and stealing blinds, but I really do not see why you would do this versus a shortie. Depends on your perceptions of villains shoving range here. Sure you may have the shover covered, but just with 3 people still to act, it is very risky.

Looks standard to me. Folding is absurd, shoving is better than calling.

I thought pokerhaasje played HU/SH cash! I don't remember ever seeing him in a tournament before.
Anyway, doesn't look bad. It's more dependent on the players behind you since it's tough to put an accurate range on a stack that short.
Many players are willing to call a 3bet isolating shove over a short stack lighter than they would if you were to just open. So I'm sure plenty of players are going to overcall light with like Ax and any pocket pair. If you get called by Ax + all pocket pairs by one of the players behind and the others fold your equity overall is slightly negative since that puts you at 80% of the time HU against the short stack which you should win ~52%, and 20% of the time you go 3-way with ~40% to win the sidepot and ~32% to win the main.
If you get called by 88+, AJo+ by any of the players behind you and assuming a maximum of one of them will call you. Then you're called ~20% of the time and only about 32% to win the side pot.
So running through some quick simple numbers it looks like folding here could very well be the best option depending on what you know of the players behind you.

since those are all underestimates of potential situations (multiple players behind calling and one of them with a monster)

stnd

i would think this is totally standard

Well, if you are playing with solid players, you can flat and fold to a raise from BB or SB.

I really don't see the necessity of re-shoving.

Travis, aren't there a lot of solid players who would shove or call if you call but fold if you shove?

Not with a range that is particularly wider than what they would call your shove with.

Besides, it's really not that bad for you if they call anyways... ur hand will often be a drawing hand even vs the shortstack.

And if they shove, they are either

1.)super LAG-retarded and if u knew that u should have just folded anyways

2.) have a hand that would have probably called ur shove and stacked u anyways, so now u can fold and save chips.

IMO if someone behind us has something like 99, TT, JJ(?), AQ, then, if we shove, he is more likely to fold, while if we call he is almost always shoving. Or not?

I dont think your shove is pushing out any hand behind better than 1010. I can see a lot of calls with 99+ cos everyone knows that the shortie could be pushing with ATC and that means your range is wide enough also.

But you're the chip leader and anybody behind that calls is risking it all against two runners.

I like the shove.

Shove or fold. Calling would be terrible. I like either.

calling is not terrible you guys are just retarded


let me ask u guys this. would u be willing to shove this hand into an empty pot? no? so why are u shoving the hand after this guy shoves.


u guys say that ur opponents might shove, 99+, AQ+, maybe even AJ. But u are forgetting that out of those hands, over half of them are calling if you shove anyways!!

But go ahead, shove your QK here, get called by a big stack and lose the sng 10% of the time, don't get called and still lose to a3 nearly half the time, or shove and then win your 1000 more chips half the time.

i mean shit, just pokerstove this guy's range against your QK. put him in as like broadways, pairs, a2o+, suited 89 suited j9 even.
Then tell me how +ev u are against him allin.
Now tell me why we are shoving to isolate on a play where we are risking our sng life (and we have a good position stackwise), when we only stand to be like what, +600-700 chips on this move?

i fold and save 25% of my chips on a flip... then proceed to steal liberally on my terms.

On February 08 2010 12:31 CCMoz wrote: i fold and save 25% of my chips on a flip... then proceed to steal liberally on my terms.

this. at this stage of SNG your stack is not your ICM values, its first and foremost leverage.
Calling off a flip at best with people behind=bad.

generally in SNGs calling is very very yucky. Its better to be shoving with shit hands then calling with marginal hands.