Tourney questions

I have a couple of general questions. Thanks in advance for any contributions.

1) What do you have on your Tourney HUD?

2) In a 6-max, assuming there is a guy who raises 20-23%, and we raise about as much. We're both 100BBs+ deep. How much should I 3-bet him? (I 3-bet too little, I need some general advice on this).

3) How often am I supposed to defend my blinds in a typical low buy-in tournament, with a mix of loose and tight-weak players?

4) What kind of reports/stats etc. should I have a look at my PT3 to find leaks? Links?

Hi

I'm not able to answer all your questions since i hardly use PT3.
I'll do my best to answer the others.

2) In the early stages of a tournament you shouldny 3 bet much, meaning AA or KK only. If u prefer to 3bet AK, QQ, JJ go ahead, but its not very +EV i think since there are still lots of fish in the early stages, and they'll call u with any 2 card or with Ax.
If u 3bet just make it 3.5-4 times his bet.

4) Not too often against weak players, as said before, they'll call with any 2 and you're OOP

How hard you fight over chips depends on how many chips it is in relation to your/their stack size.

This is why players should loosen up as the tournament continues on.

On December 21 2009 07:44 Nadeem wrote: Hi I'm not able to answer all your questions since i hardly use PT3. I'll do my best to answer the others. 2) In the early stages of a tournament you shouldny 3 bet much, meaning AA or KK only. If u prefer to 3bet AK, QQ, JJ go ahead, but its not very +EV i think since there are still lots of fish in the early stages, and they'll call u with any 2 card or with Ax. If u 3bet just make it 3.5-4 times his bet. 4) Not too often against weak players, as said before, they'll call with any 2 and you're OOP

Erm, whats wrong with fish calling with any 2 cards and you have QQ,JJ,AK? I would quite happily 3bet all day with these hands with fish involved.

On December 21 2009 06:57 pluzich wrote: I have a couple of general questions. Thanks in advance for any contributions. 1) What do you have on your Tourney HUD? 2) In a 6-max, assuming there is a guy who raises 20-23%, and we raise about as much. We're both 100BBs+ deep. How much should I 3-bet him? (I 3-bet too little, I need some general advice on this). 3) How often am I supposed to defend my blinds in a typical low buy-in tournament, with a mix of loose and tight-weak players? 4) What kind of reports/stats etc. should I have a look at my PT3 to find leaks? Links?

1) HUD is not as useful for MTTs early on because you will not have enough hands to gain a good picture of players. It will spot all the callstations easily, but 3bet% etc stats are just useless unless u have hundreds of hands. You need to take way more notes when playing MTTs, bet sizes etc to gain edge on opponents fast. Your HUD may become a bit more useful later on deeper, when you have had a few players that have hundreds of hands on. Bare in mind in MTTs you may get moved about tables a lot. I always try to exploit when I move table, especially later on, to play a little bit more aggressive first few hands and pick up alot of blinds, as alot of the players will be very wary versus a new player at a table, and may want to fold alot of their range untill they work out what you are doing.

3) Always try to play in position and steal blinds like loads. It is what keeps you going in a tournament. So many players play way too tight and dont steal enough blinds. Deeper you get you can steal with 2.5-3bbs if its folded around to you.

1. The HUD isn't useful in MTTs unless you have it sectioned off by before antes and after antes. Or even more specific than that, but you start needing huge sample sizes on everyone to get any useful data.
Anyway, vpip, pfr, steal, agg; cbet, folds to cbet, 3bet, folds to 3bet. Can mouseover to get their EP, MP, LP raise ranges and flop, turn, river aggression.

2. Just make sure to keep adjusting. If you're IP, I'd do it a lot, like 8%+ initially.

3. In lower buy-ins I generally defend less often. I think 80% fold to steal in BB is probably ok.

4. Google.

ill try my best to answer these...in about 500 tourneys played i only have 1 tourney win, itm id say around 20% or so? my roi is def over 500% lol, i blocked my opr a while ago but i think thats a pretty good guess.

1) i like to look at all stats but i take it for what its worth....that just comes with experience...pay attention to how ppl are playing in tournies and make notes, thats the best way to play them

2) when i 3bet i usually go 2.5x the bet...so if bb is 100 and he raises to 300 ill raise to around 750ish....once we get into the levels with ante's i start 3betting smaller...ie if bb is 1000 with ante 100, and someone opens to 3000 i might just raise to 6300 or 6400 (obv depending on my read, if i know this guys a superfish and calls anything ill repop his open to like 9k if i have a monster)

3) i never defend my blinds in low buyins unless i have a big hand in which case im reraising pre huge, or unless i have a pretty big read on him, and have seen him steal many times, and the blinds are somewhat big

4) look at where you are losing the most bbs...which levels and with which hands within those levels and then experiment....tighten up stop playin those hands....or start playing them very passively, not fishing with draws...the best way to get better at tourneys is to just play them...get more experience

hope that helps...again take that for what its worth im not that good, im decent at best

On December 21 2009 20:55 biabiaflexer wrote: ill try my best to answer these...in about 500 tourneys played i only have 1 tourney win, itm id say around 20% or so? my roi is def over 500% lol, i blocked my opr a while ago but i think thats a pretty good guess. 1) i like to look at all stats but i take it for what its worth....that just comes with experience...pay attention to how ppl are playing in tournies and make notes, thats the best way to play them 2) when i 3bet i usually go 2.5x the bet...so if bb is 100 and he raises to 300 ill raise to around 750ish....once we get into the levels with ante's i start 3betting smaller...ie if bb is 1000 with ante 100, and someone opens to 3000 i might just raise to 6300 or 6400 (obv depending on my read, if i know this guys a superfish and calls anything ill repop his open to like 9k if i have a monster) 3) i never defend my blinds in low buyins unless i have a big hand in which case im reraising pre huge, or unless i have a pretty big read on him, and have seen him steal many times, and the blinds are somewhat big 4) look at where you are losing the most bbs...which levels and with which hands within those levels and then experiment....tighten up stop playin those hands....or start playing them very passively, not fishing with draws...the best way to get better at tourneys is to just play them...get more experience hope that helps...again take that for what its worth im not that good, im decent at best

I like this...

Quick q's:

As the field grows, cEV and $EV converge, right? In a small field, doubling your chips doesn't double your tournament equity, but in a large field you start with such little equity, that it almost does?

What does that imply about what the optimal play style is at different stages of the tourney?

Thanks a lot guys.

Could you elaborate a bit more on why you defend blinds less in low buy-in tourneys?

1)HUD isnt that great in mtt's But if im playing a lot of them it does help just to see how active someone has been. But most of the time you don't have enough hands so u cant rely on them really.

2)not sure if your asking how often you should 3bet... or how many bbs u should make ur 3bet? How often depends i guess being that deep I'm probably gonna be flatting a lot. As for how much i think 2.5xish is good maybe 2.8ish oop?

3)I never defend my blind unless big hand and im probably gonna 3bet it with big hand. Except only being against sb raises then im defending quite a bit when deep enough for it. Playing oop is just meh

4)no idea

Yeah guys No. 3 is about what percentage you 3-bet when deep-ish, 100BB+. With this I'm more interested about 6-max, because well FR you just 3-bet strong hands.

On December 22 2009 17:53 pluzich wrote: Yeah guys No. 3 is about what percentage you 3-bet when deep-ish, 100BB+. With this I'm more interested about 6-max, because well FR you just 3-bet strong hands.

Not true. Deeper you go in a MTT, the more you can exploit 3bet. And your 3bet range should widen much more when you are deeper and antes are invovled, as you can pick up alot of pots here. Just need to have reads on opponents bet sizes and pick your spots.

Did you miss the "100 BB+ deep" part?