50NL line check

Never seen the villian before. no reads just assume hes a random 1 table donk.

Submitted by : CT_rider

Hand#2064011436000333 - Pebble Beach (6-Max) 11436 -- $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em -- 2009/11/29 - 03:09:12
Seat 1: Hero ($113.34 in chips)
Seat 2: HIGH***2 ($42 in chips)
Seat 9: En3m***9 ($46.65 in chips)
Seat 10: ruby***10 ($138.95 in chips)
En3m***9: posts small blind $0.25
ruby***10: posts big blind $0.50

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
Hero: raises to $1.75
HIGH***2: folds
En3m***9: calls $1.50
ruby***10: calls $1.25

Flop (Pot : $5.25)

   
En3m***9: bets $5.25
ruby***10: folds
Hero: calls $5.25

Turn (Pot : $15.75)

   
En3m***9: bets $15.75

just fold that...

better spots are incoming

what did the 4c change?
jam is for value
calling to bluff catch is not intelligent. consider the possible river cards. what is your best card?

do you still like it now?

what is your 2nd best card? do you still like it now?

i tend to call these spots as i get curious. but without history folding is good . he could have K Q K 9s Q 9s 9 9. and against this guy i'd fold anyway... not enough chips in his stack. if it was ruby i'd call tho. then re-evaluate river.

i just fold here. pot pot like this is usually a strong hand.

I think I'd have no trouble jamming here for value...

^ sure... but without history?

Yeah without history. Although I have to admit at first I thought it was NL100 against a half stack.

But even still I think I'd ship it and actually feel fine... call me spewy!

cool cool

Wow, I play NL25 and I'm very surprised that so many are saying to ship it. My response was going to be that it seems like a fold, I mean when you shove I don't see many hands that you beat calling unless you know he is a station and will stack off with TPWK.

i think u can find a better spot to get it in. shipping might not be horrible, but im thinking most of the time ur beat here

wtf this is the definition of fold in my vocabulary

guys need to stop talking about "better spots" in cashgames like it matters unless he is like a sick fish you think will hit n run.

I probably fold here without reason to think he would bomb a lot of air or shit like q10 qj 910

Without a read I just fold as played, if I'm looking to get stacks in I'd just raise flop, dunno why you would flat flop to raise a blank turn. I mean if your reason for flatting is to induce bluffs then just flat the turn again, if you're ahead he's drawing thin anyway so you don't need to protect your hand. Even though there's only a half pot bet left on the river I think it's better than just jamming the turn if you continue

Also agree with what trax said about better spots, if a spot is +EV, you take it, you don't fold and wait for a better spot. It's either +EV or it's not, there should be no looking for even more +EV spots that's retarded.

On November 29 2009 22:57 edzwoo wrote: I think I'd have no trouble jamming here for value...

Value Vs what hands? Confused.... Usually I agree with you edzwoo but I din't see this at NL50. Jamming turns your hand in to a bluff imo as I struggle to see what worse calls? QJs maybe?

He's leading pot 3-way on that board and pots turn. No history I fold....

Well I think something important to note is that the OP stated villain is possibly a random 1 tabling donk.

A lot of my money in FR came when I started tables and random donks would sit down and go nuts from the get go, taking similar postflop lines. I really can't think of anything specific, but I can check my database for examples if you guys want. You see this happen a lot especially at HU when random people come in and just go nuts.

That combined with the fact that there really aren't many combos of hands that beat us (two sets are likely out of the question, AK unlikely, we have a blocker to JT). I don't think we can discount the idea that our opponent can be valuebetting worse hands, especially if he's likely to be a 1tabling donk, and clearly willing to be aggressive. It should be important to note that this person is actually capable of potting the flop from the start, something most fish can't do.

I did add ellipses after my comment on purpose though, since obviously it's very questionable advice .

edit: oh and terms of what range of hands we should be shoving for value, I'm thinking it's very possible he has something like Kx,Qx,9x,Tx with pair,Jx with pair,underpairs,AT. Of course he can have the nuts as well. I guess call turn call river might be okay too but I'd rather just jam this turn.

edit2: Hey cool someone just posted a hand kind of what I was talking about:

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