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MARSHALL28 United States. Nov 15 2009 04:52. Posts 1904 | | |
Today, I will be writing a blog post about the day that epicness and determination met, and became one. LOL, sorta.
*****Just to warn you right now. THIS IS LONG. It'll probably take 15+ minutes to read, so stop now if you don't wanna get involved. You've been warned.****
I've never quite played a session like this one I just finished less than an hour ago, but I have to say I think it definitely says something about me, my drive, and my talent. This makes me feel optimistic about the future. I also think that others may gain some inspiration from it, so for those reasons, plus the reason that I would like to be able to come back and re-read this in a couple months or a year or a couple years, I want to have it written down for personal access.
So this particular session began about 34 hours before my writing this post, on 12AM, Sunday, November 15th. It was the day immediately after I had my huge breakthrough at 3/6 where I won 14k over the course of two days, and it spanned 33 hours straight... No breaks except for quick runs to the bathroom and kitchen, I never logged off, and never sat ot for more than 4-5 minutes at a time. I played a total of 24,469 hands and played somewhere between 8-14 tables the entire time--I've never even come close to doing anything like this before.
The session started going out well, I was up early a quick and easy 2200 was already lining my pockets. That is, until the first stumbling block on this journey arrived. I lost what may have been the biggest pot of my life.
My opponent had been VERY aggressive, and his 3bet stat said he was 3betting 40% of the time. Almost, if not all o fthem were to my opens. I decided to defend w/ the 45s in position 250bb deep. I flopped an OESD on a dry ten high flop: T32r. My only thought at this point was, an Ace on the turn would be the most beautiful card I've ever seen. And oh it was. I wasn't sure if I should raise my opponent's turn bet right then while holding the nuts, or try to string him along. The main thing though tthat went through my mind was that his turn sizing appeared to be relatively small, which would leave him with just about exactly a pot sized shove on the river. This generally would indicate to me that my opponent is attempting to do his best to give himself the most folding equity he possibly could have garrnered. The river was another duece pairing the board. Another thing I though here was that since he was 3betting 40% he probably values AK and AA VERY VERY similarly here. Anyways, I made the river call pretty quickly and was shown the bad news.
Seat 1: zimp721 ($630)
Seat 2: MF28 ($1,501)
Seat 3: 2BOO2BOO ($1,839.90)
Seat 4: FoldTOcash ($1,821)
Seat 5: tinhcong ($554.60)
Seat 6: FishyFish12 ($570)
tinhcong antes $1
zimp721 antes $1
FoldTOcash antes $1
FishyFish12 antes $1
2BOO2BOO antes $1
MF28 antes $1
2BOO2BOO has 5 seconds left to act
2BOO2BOO posts the small blind of $3
FoldTOcash posts the big blind of $6
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to MF28 [4h 5h]
tinhcong has 15 seconds left to act
tinhcong calls $6
FishyFish12 folds
zimp721 folds
MF28 raises to $24
2BOO2BOO has 15 seconds left to act
2BOO2BOO raises to $96
FoldTOcash folds
tinhcong folds
MF28 has 15 seconds left to act
MF28 calls $72
*** FLOP *** [3d Tc 2s]
2BOO2BOO has 15 seconds left to act
2BOO2BOO bets $124
MF28 has 15 seconds left to act
MF28 calls $124
*** TURN *** [3d Tc 2s] 
2BOO2BOO has 15 seconds left to act
2BOO2BOO has requested TIME
2BOO2BOO bets $270
MF28 has 15 seconds left to act
MF28 has requested TIME
MF28 calls $270
*** RIVER *** [3d Tc 2s Ac] 
2BOO2BOO has 15 seconds left to act
2BOO2BOO has requested TIME
2BOO2BOO bets $1,348.90, and is all in
MF28 calls $1,010, and is all in
Uncalled bet of $338.90 returned to 2BOO2BOO
*** SHOW DOWN ***
2BOO2BOO shows [Ad As] a full house, Aces full of Twos
MF28 mucks
2BOO2BOO wins the pot ($3,015) with a full house, Aces full of Twos
MF28 adds $1,200
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $3,018 | Rake $3
Board: [3d Tc 2s Ac 2h]
Seat 1: zimp721 folded before the Flop
Seat 2: MF28 (button) mucked [4h 5h] - a straight, Five high
Seat 3: 2BOO2BOO (small blind) showed [Ad As] and won ($3,015) with a full house, Aces full of Twos
Seat 4: FoldTOcash (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: tinhcong folded before the Flop
Seat 6: FishyFish12 folded before the Flop
Of course I was a little rattled, but I'm a professional, I've got to accept and KNOW that those types of thigns are going to happen and I must get over them as quickly as possible if I want to be the best I can be. After losing a coinflip and a couple other pots, I was down about 1k or so, but this is clearly no big deal at all for 600nl. I felt like I was keeping my compusure decently enough to continue and that things would continue to be fine.
...Bur then it happened. I'm not sure I can describe it in words. I've actually read it in a number of poker books: "Some day you will run worse than you ever could have imagined, as bad as things may or may not be now, someday they will be 50-500x worse." That's obviously not verbatim, but it's what I remember reading. Well, I've played nearly 1.5million hands and I'd have to say that that time came for me this session.
It wasn't like I was getting cold decked or no cards, that wasn't the case at all. I was making plenty of hands. The problem was, whenever I made a hand and tried to bet it, all that would happen is I would get zero action. I must have flopped 6 or 7 sets and had my opponent (who was the pfr) check/fold the flop every time. So since for some reason I was unable to get anybody to put money in the pot by calling me down or raising me when I had a hand, I started barreling all my bluffs and taking trappy lines with all of my bigger hands. Here is a SHORT sample of how those went. --The funny thing is here, there literally was not one time that I attempted one of these traps that my opponent did not suck out on me to something obscure on the river.....
PokerStars Game #35350343604: Hold'em No Limit ($3/$6 USD) - 2009/11/14 10:55:37 PT [2009/11/14 13:55:37 ET]
Table 'Mauritia' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 2: Pokerblom ($723.50 in chips)
Seat 3: Jenn415 ($743.50 in chips)
Seat 4: curtains ($111 in chips)
Seat 5: Marshall28 ($951.60 in chips)
Seat 6: Chisness ($108 in chips)
curtains: posts small blind $3
Marshall28: posts big blind $6
M0n3y0nf1r3: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Marshall28 [Qs As]
Chisness: folds
Pokerblom: folds
Jenn415: raises $12 to $18
curtains: folds
Marshall28: raises $42 to $60
Jenn415: calls $42
*** FLOP *** [Ks 8h Ah]
Marshall28: checks
Jenn415: checks
*** TURN *** [Ks 8h Ah] 
Marshall28: bets $72
Jenn415: calls $72
*** RIVER *** [Ks 8h Ah 6d] 
Marshall28: bets $148
Jenn415: raises $463.50 to $611.50 and is all-in
Marshall28: calls $463.50
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Jenn415: shows [7d 9d] (a straight, Five to Nine)
Marshall28: shows [Qs As] (a pair of Aces)
Jenn415 collected $1488 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1490 | Rake $2
Board [Ks 8h Ah 6d 5s]
Seat 2: Pokerblom folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Jenn415 (button) showed [7d 9d] and won ($1488) with a straight, Five to Nine
Seat 4: curtains (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: Marshall28 (big blind) showed [Qs As] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 6: Chisness folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Really? 7 9 ???
Oh yeah I remember, I loved this one. my opponent didn't suck out, he turned the nut straight, and I "sucked out" to the second nut straight on the river.....
PokerStars Game #35334342105: Hold'em No Limit ($3/$6 USD) - 2009/11/14 2:20:24 PT [2009/11/14 5:20:24 ET]
Table 'Nephele II' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Shiko19 ($1735.50 in chips)
Seat 2: SmokedYou ($751.50 in chips)
Seat 3: innerpsy ($600 in chips)
Seat 4: x_Slowrollin ($495 in chips)
Seat 5: Marshall28 ($702 in chips)
Seat 6: wasabi71 ($2374 in chips)
Shiko19: posts small blind $3
SmokedYou: posts big blind $6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Marshall28 [7c 6c]
innerpsy: folds
x_Slowrollin: folds
Marshall28: raises $12 to $18
wasabi71: folds
Shiko19: raises $42 to $60
SmokedYou: folds
Marshall28: calls $42
*** FLOP *** [8c Kd 9s]
Shiko19: bets $72
Marshall28: calls $72
*** TURN *** [8c Kd 9s] 
Shiko19: checks
Marshall28: checks
*** RIVER *** [8c Kd 9s Qs] 
Shiko19: bets $156
Marshall28: raises $414 to $570 and is all-in
Shiko19: calls $414
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Marshall28: shows [7c 6c] (a straight, Five to Nine)
Shiko19: shows [Js Ts] (a straight, Nine to King)
Shiko19 collected $1407 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1410 | Rake $3
Board [8c Kd 9s Qs 5h]
Seat 1: Shiko19 (small blind) showed [Js Ts] and won ($1407) with a straight, Nine to King
Seat 2: SmokedYou (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: innerpsy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: x_Slowrollin folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Marshall28 showed [7c 6c] and lost with a straight, Five to Nine
Seat 6: wasabi71 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Oh yeah, this one was lovely....
PokerStars Game #35358960425: Hold'em No Limit ($2/$4 USD) - 2009/11/14 14:17:00 PT [2009/11/14 17:17:00 ET]
Table 'Janina III' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: King0288 ($210 in chips)
Seat 2: duffer122 ($148 in chips)
Seat 3: nanonoko ($428 in chips)
Seat 4: Marshall28 ($542.30 in chips)
Seat 5: pvjack ($290.45 in chips)
Seat 6: LosSababa ($560 in chips)
King0288: posts small blind $2
duffer122: posts big blind $4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Marshall28 [9d 9s]
nanonoko: folds
Marshall28: raises $8 to $12
pvjack: calls $12
LosSababa: folds
King0288: folds
duffer122: folds
*** FLOP *** [4d 6s 7c]
Marshall28: checks
pvjack: bets $20
Marshall28: calls $20
*** TURN *** [4d 6s 7c]
Marshall28: checks
pvjack: bets $40
Marshall28: calls $40
*** RIVER *** [4d 6s 7c 2h] 
Marshall28: checks
pvjack: bets $96
Marshall28: calls $96
*** SHOW DOWN ***
pvjack: shows [7s As] (three of a kind, Sevens)
Marshall28: mucks hand
pvjack collected $339 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $342 | Rake $3
Board [4d 6s 7c 2h 7h]
Seat 1: King0288 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: duffer122 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: nanonoko folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Marshall28 mucked [9d 9s]
Seat 5: pvjack showed [7s As] and won ($339) with three of a kind, Sevens
Seat 6: LosSababa (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
I'd have to say I think this next one is my favorite ... It was maybe the 6th or 7th trap I was attempting and was just sitting there looking at this board thinking ... there's just NO WAY this guy has any kind of chance of outdrawing me here, but lo and behold.....
PokerStars Game #35359914630: Hold'em No Limit ($3/$6 USD) - 2009/11/14 14:39:07 PT [2009/11/14 17:39:07 ET]
Table 'Tavastia III' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Marshall28 ($1148.40 in chips)
Seat 2: JABOOOOO ($651 in chips)
Seat 3: Shiko19 ($930.15 in chips)
Seat 4: justeville ($455.70 in chips)
Seat 5: YourDoom ($639.90 in chips)
Seat 6: dhousesonfir ($300.20 in chips)
dhousesonfir: posts small blind $3
Marshall28: posts big blind $6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Marshall28 [7c 7h]
JABOOOOO: folds
Shiko19: folds
justeville: folds
YourDoom: raises $12 to $18
dhousesonfir: calls $15
Marshall28: calls $12
*** FLOP *** [2h 7s 2s]
dhousesonfir: checks
Marshall28: checks
YourDoom: bets $36
dhousesonfir: folds
Marshall28: calls $36
*** TURN *** [2h 7s 2s] 
Marshall28: checks
YourDoom: bets $78
Marshall28: calls $78
*** RIVER *** [2h 7s 2s 6c] 
Marshall28: checks
YourDoom: bets $130
Marshall28: raises $886.40 to $1016.40 and is all-in
YourDoom: calls $377.90 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($508.50) returned to Marshall28
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Marshall28: shows [7c 7h] (a full house, Sevens full of Deuces)
YourDoom: shows [Jc Js] (a full house, Jacks full of Deuces)
YourDoom collected $1294.80 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1297.80 | Rake $3
Board [2h 7s 2s 6c Jh]
Seat 1: Marshall28 (big blind) showed [7c 7h] and lost with a full house, Sevens full of Deuces
Seat 2: JABOOOOO folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Shiko19 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: justeville folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: YourDoom (button) showed [Jc Js] and won ($1294.80) with a full house, Jacks full of Deuces
Seat 6: dhousesonfir (small blind) folded on the Flop
Here's one more, I'm not going to make this a whole list of every bad beat, I just want to get the point across.....
PokerStars Game #35329661804: Hold'em No Limit ($3/$6 USD) - 2009/11/13 21:50:23 PT [2009/11/14 0:50:23 ET]
Table 'Nephele II' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Marshall28 ($1066 in chips)
Seat 2: gregy20723 ($600 in chips)
Seat 3: RIPP hasso ($571.20 in chips)
Seat 4: FrAnWaN ($1392 in chips)
Seat 5: TableATM ($1052.05 in chips)
Seat 6: Gkastone ($600 in chips)
Marshall28: posts small blind $3
gregy20723: posts big blind $6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Marshall28 [Ah Jh]
RIPP hasso: folds
FrAnWaN: folds
TableATM: folds
Gkastone: raises $12 to $18
Marshall28: calls $15
gregy20723: folds
*** FLOP *** [2d 3h 2h]
Marshall28: checks
Gkastone: bets $30
Marshall28: calls $30
*** TURN *** [2d 3h 2h] 
Marshall28: checks
Gkastone: bets $84
Marshall28: calls $84
*** RIVER *** [2d 3h 2h 6h] 
Marshall28: checks
Gkastone: bets $132
Marshall28: raises $802 to $934 and is all-in
Gkastone: calls $336 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($466) returned to Marshall28
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Marshall28: shows [Ah Jh] (a flush, Ace high)
Gkastone: shows [Kc Ks] (a full house, Kings full of Deuces)
Gkastone collected $1203 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1206 | Rake $3
Board [2d 3h 2h 6h Kd]
Seat 1: Marshall28 (small blind) showed [Ah Jh] and lost with a flush, Ace high
Seat 2: gregy20723 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: RIPP hasso folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: FrAnWaN folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: TableATM folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Gkastone (button) showed [Kc Ks] and won ($1203) with a full house, Kings full of Deuces
Okay so this next part of the story is where it gets a little ... strange to say the least. I'm not sure I've ever seen anything like this at any online poker table before. I've heard stories of a player named Scout who logs onto mid-high stakes PLO tables and just starts open potting and jamming at every opportunity because he's rich and likes to gamble--I've never actually seen that with my own eyes, but I saw something very similar this past night. A player named CHCHEALY somehow arrived at one of the--I don't know maybe 14 tables I was sitting at--and it didn't take long for me to notice... This player was playing 48/42 and happened to be open shoving roughly 35-38% of his hands. Here's the other thing... He somehow had 6 buy ins ($2400) in front of him when I joined the table. I had direct position on him, so needless to say, I was salivating at the chance to win back a good amount of the 6 or 7k I was already down on the day by this point.
Things started off at this table almost identically to how they had been going for the earlier part of the session. Just about the only times CHCHEALY decided to fold rather than open shove happen to be the times I had AK/AQ/88/AJ. This theme continued over and over, it was maddening. Meanwhile, as I'm folding and watching, he's very quickly built his 2500 into over 5k!
I personally ended up getting all in with him 12 times. I won't list the entire hand histories to avoid the hassle, although they went IN ORDER as follows:
My 55 vs his QJo on QJ8-Q-J
My 88 vs his A4o on J32-5-4
My AQo vs his Q8o on Q42-6-8 ... brutal river.. I'm down 1200 to him already, but next one...
My AJo vs his AKo on 926-T-A ... I guess he's gotta pick up a hand at some point.
This next one is ultra devastating
So I had AA against his A9hh and the flop comes JT4hhh. Need I say more? I'm down 2k to him now in 5 hands. But there's more....
Next is my A8dd vs his K9o on QJ4-3-T. Down 2400.
Finally, we reach a point of salvation.
I pick up the KTss vs his 44 and the board runs out 863-K!!!-Q
So I'm back on the map at this point and actually have a shot at winning a decent chunk of change back.
That is of course until I pick up AJo and SNAP his open shove for 210bb to stare at his A4o and watch the board run out 753-8-6. Dirty.
This is all happening meanwhile I'm basically watching him donate my money over to the rest of the table. He did beat me one more time, then I got him twice to end with a net result of -2k.
I have to say though, it was rather impressive watching this guy sit there and continue gambling for more and more money as he kept winning. He just kept open shoving no matter how deep the stacks were. He ran it up to well over 5k, and was back down to zero maybe 20-30 minutes later.
So, at this point it's a little after midnight, 6 hours into the session, and I'm stuck 9100$.
However, this is where I got my second wind. A few things went my way, I got it in bad and sucked out, and momentum started to turn in my direction--I'm the type of player who thrives big time on momentum, if I can get momentum running in my direction, there's no one I'm afraid to take on and no one I wont put to the test. Over the next 6,000 hands I had gotten all of it back but 3100$.
This means I starrted with a 2k upswing, then went into a 11k downswing, and now I was on the upside of a 6k upswing. And as you will be able to see in the graph (because I will post it), this is where the major disparity begins between my all in EV line and my Winnings line. They separate at one point up to 5k. Between hands 12,000-20,000 I should have been winning, however my green line dropped like a rainstorm back down to -10,000$ for the session.
I had been playing for over 20 hours straight, I was down 5k in EV adjusted and 10k overall. How would you feel about your time spent? How would you feel about yourself? Would you want to give up? Or would you want to prove to yourself that you could do it? Personally, I hate giving up. And I hate hate hate admitting defeat. This time, I refused to quit, and I turned a -10k day into a positive 2.5k. I have to say, it feels damn good to have kept my cool, rode out the rough patches, stuck to my guns, and behaved like a true professional.
--Disclaimer--I'm sure some of you are going to say "don't be a moron, use a stop loss." I agree and I do often use a stop loss, but there are other things at work here. I, along with quite a few other players and friends do believe that there are times when, even though the odds appear against you, your power of will and desire to succeed are so strong that they are much more important than any inconsequential short term variance or your temporary maleable mental state. Obviously I will always admit that in this frame of mind after losing 10k I will never be playnig my A+ best game, But with a little momentum, a lot of times, I definitely believe I have pushed through it in the past and will continue to be able to do so in the future.
Anyways, as I stare at my graph (see bottom) documenting the 33 hours of play, I'm looking at the line between 20,555 hands and 24,447 hands. That line, goes straight up. Finally I was the one who caught a couple of lucky breaks. I got it in JJ vs QQ and spiked a J. I won a couple coin flips, my confidence started rising and I further worked through my game plan in my mind and focused on what needed to be changed or fixed. I knew I needed to stop using trapping as my main strategy and only to use it as an adjustment to certain players. I needed to play much more aggressively and start pushing other people around. I needed to drop from the 14 tables I was playing to at most 7 or 8. After doing those things, I actually started to feel like I was playing as similarly to my old style back in 2007 when I won at 8BB/100 as I have at any time since that point. I was making laser thin value bets and running huge bluffs with zero equity just knowing people would fold. I've gone ahead and compiled a list of my favorite ones from the session in the "my hands" feature on Liquidpoker.net. If you go on the right side of the home page at liquidpoker.net and type in the search box "Marshall28" a list of hands will popup, the most recent 9 hands are ones that I selected to post, I think each one of them is quite interesting to take a look at if you haven't already.
Because I've been recording videos for GrinderSchool.com, and I hadn't been in the zone like I was towards the end of this session in a long time, I decided to record a portion of it, so I have about 37 minutes of recorded video I'm going to do voice over narration for and it will be posted at grinderschool.com. I'm very sure this style/type of play has likely not ever been seen and should be VERY interesting to any poker player playing 200/400nl or lower.
So if you've stuck through, read it all and made it this far, congratulations, it's been a long read, but thanks for sticking with it. I always appreciate any comments, positive or negative (as long as it's constructive).
See ya and good luck.
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PplusAD Germany. Nov 15 2009 05:12. Posts 7180 | | |
sick comeback 
will read the hands laterz |
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| U see what i did there with A8 ? He 4 bets and there we go insta jam A8 : ---booooom -- . hahahaha ( Krantz) | |
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Naib Hungary. Nov 15 2009 06:00. Posts 968 | | |
+1 for hand converter 
Also graph = loller coaster!
Gz on working through it anyway. |
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| My favourite line is Bet/Fold. I bet, you fold. | |
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wolfheart Estonia. Nov 15 2009 06:33. Posts 7592 | | |
didnt look hands use freaking hand convereter ..just wanted to say |
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PplusAD Germany. Nov 15 2009 06:38. Posts 7180 | | |
not using a hand converter is old school
damn u nitz |
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| U see what i did there with A8 ? He 4 bets and there we go insta jam A8 : ---booooom -- . hahahaha ( Krantz) | |
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Maynard! United States. Nov 15 2009 07:51. Posts 4453 | | |
Dont think I've ever gone 33 hours without taking a dump. You need to eat more vegetables and eat less red meats 8) |
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| Now I really am a busto. Thanks FTP. | |
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| | On November 15 2009 03:52 MARSHALL28 wrote:
Between hands 12,000-20,000 I should have been winning, however my green line dropped like a rainstorm back down to -10,000$ for the session. |
Seeing as you were coached by Tommy Angelo (Or am I thinking of somebody else?), wouldn't this be a classical wrong thinking kind of thing where your opponent had non zero equity in the hands? I might just have misunderstood what you meant though.
In any case, nice comeback! |
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Maynard! United States. Nov 15 2009 08:38. Posts 4453 | | |
You are right sir. I love tommy angelo vids. |
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| Now I really am a busto. Thanks FTP. | |
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chris United States. Nov 15 2009 09:46. Posts 5506 | | | |
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| 5 minute showers are my 8 minute abs. - Neilly | |
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dnagardi Hungary. Nov 15 2009 10:05. Posts 1779 | | |
33 hours straight... thats beyond sick
gz tho, very nice comeback. |
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Oxy Canada. Nov 15 2009 13:02. Posts 2293 | | |
Yes, this is [x] epic all the way. Congratufuckinlations. |
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Elite00 United States. Nov 15 2009 13:49. Posts 683 | | |
lol that 77 hand you posted was just dirty |
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sniderstyle United States. Nov 15 2009 14:31. Posts 2046 | | |
if youre going to spend an hour writing this up, why not spend a few minutes getting the formatting right so its readable ? |
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| Genginho: lose today 100 dollar only because of fishs they called and had luck on river | |
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Mariuslol Norway. Jan 08 2010 18:53. Posts 4742 | | |
Sick long session, twice as long as my longest eek. |
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dingking Australia. Jan 09 2010 20:51. Posts 52 | | |
please convert hands so much easier. good comeback though dont think i could ever put in that long of a session |
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