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[PLO] To 3bet or not to 3bet?


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TianYuan    Sweden. Nov 05 2009 08:05. Posts 4648

This is a situation that's come up a bunch for me and I'm not sure what the proper way of thinking about it is.

Assume you have no relevant reads on anyone, and assume full stacks. 6 handed table.

UTG minraises and gets 2 calls. You have JdQcTd8c (or a similar hand) on the button. Do you 3bet?
Reasons I can see for 3betting is that it's a great hand in position and we might want a bigger pot with it.
Reasons against is we kind of want to let the blinds in with such a good hand in position? And if we get 4bet we can of course call, but we sort of waste our position?

What if UTG had made a normal raise?

What if we replace our hand with Ad9c8d7c? Can we still call a 4bet with that hand even though it has an ace in it? Do we want to 3bet? What about something as strong as AdJcTdQc? I guess both are sort of strong enough to 3bet and call 4bets with, but given that we have a nut suite this time, don't we really like to see the maximum amount of people enter the pot?

What if UTG had made a normal raise?

I think that - both in NL and PLO - I have a tendency to focus overly much on implied odds (and letting bad people into the pot) of hands sometimes, as opposed to doing something more aggressive like 3betting them :s

Ah one last thing:
Open raise sizing in PLO - pot or 3x? (assuming no shortstacks to change the situation)
I've always done pot but in some Jman vids I've seen he opens to 3x, and I'm wondering if this is something that's become the "standard" as of late or if it's just him.

Hm.. Off-suite socks.. 

taco   Iceland. Nov 05 2009 08:19. Posts 507

I tend to put in 3x and 1,5BB for each person that has yet to call the last raise in my 3bet and 3BB in my 4bet
UTG minraise 10c, 2 callers, we BTN reraise to .55.
That gives the SB/BB ~1,7:1, minraisers+callers 1,9:1 and we risk .55 to win .37


Jelle   Belgium. Nov 05 2009 08:59. Posts 2868

i just wonna say that it's important to focus not on if you can call (a 4bet in this case) or not, but how profitable it is to do so

I used to have this thing where i cared a fuckton about wether or not you can continue, but if your ev is close to zero it doesn't really help you at all that you can

with the 1st hand i think not only can you continue, but you can celebration-continue - ur ev is massive.. also if you 3bet and an ace flops and you bluff succesfully it will be more painful for the other guy because you probably had nothing at all, whereas in the latter case you'd have hit an ace and so your opponent didn't forfeit as much equity in the hand

i really feel there's no contest regardless of his raise size with the 1st hand

also some of the time that u "let the blinds in" they would have stayed in anyway for more money and spewed off more


TianYuan    Sweden. Nov 05 2009 10:05. Posts 4648

Good points, ty :O

Hm.. Off-suite socks.. 

Clutch   United States. Nov 06 2009 01:05. Posts 83

Its important to three bet more than just aces. If you're playing in a super loose low stakes game, flatting with all of these hands is fine. That being said, QJT8 is a great hand to three bet because you can happily call a 4b, and you can represent aces and take down alot of pots with a cbet. Id be more inclined to 3b QJT8 than AA47 rainbow. AA47 wont get much money in the pot, and table your hand. Flatting allows the blinds to squeeze, and then you smash em. Its difficult to get the money in preflop with AAxx anyway, because people generally wont stack off with kings preflop, ESPECIALLY if you aren't 3b QJT8 type hands as well.


 




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