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TianYuan    Korea (South). Nov 04 2009 20:50. Posts 6817

Hand is from a video I'm watching right now.

6 Max, 1$/2$ PLO
Villain (200$) opens to 7$ UTG+1
Hero (200$) flats As8sJc8d OTB
Blinds fold.


Hero remarks that he thinks he should have folded it - which brings me to my first question I guess - should he have? I'd fold, but I'm kinda tight.

Flop (17$):
4s7s2c
Villain bets 17$
Hero Calls

Here's my second question. Hero says he does not want to force more money into the pot with this hand, because he "only has a small overpair", but it seems to me like we can get it in really good here? We dominate almost all draws (or have really good equity vs them if it's like KK** with spades, in which case we are flipping), and even though 8s are only a small overpair it still leaves us with 2 more outs vs a set, and blockers to a bunch of straight draws.

Basically I think I'd be raise/stacking here, is that bad?

EDIT: Actually running some hands on propokertools, I think I may have overestimated our equity vs some hands here :/ Meh.

Turn (51$):
Ks
Villain bets 51$
Hero flats

Hero's reasoning was something along the lines of:
- I think villain has air here almost always.
- I don't think he's ever playing a set like this so I'm never folding any river.
- Says he might have raised vs a smaller bet.

This seems fine to me.

River (153$):
2d
Villain checks
Hero has about 130~$ left and says he's gonna bet big on the off-chance villain did play a worse flush this way....

... Hero bets 90

Am I crazy for thinking that betting anything less than allin is really weird given how little is left? Does betting 90 really make a difference for villains calling range?

(I have not finished watching so I have no idea what villain had, just thought the hand was interesting)

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Hm.. Off-suite socks..Last edit: 06/11/2009 09:07

DustySwedeDude   Sweden. Nov 04 2009 21:22. Posts 8623

I'm not very good with omaha but flop and river seems really bad to me.


Oskar_123   Sweden. Nov 05 2009 05:14. Posts 401

mind saying what video it is? (I suck at omaha so can't give any advice, just curious)


TianYuan    Korea (South). Nov 05 2009 08:55. Posts 6817

Bluefirepoker, by DonNguyen, I forget which one exactly. I think first part of a 3 parter.

Hm.. Off-suite socks.. 

taco   Iceland. Nov 05 2009 09:00. Posts 1793

Raise the flop bet to 40-45$ imho.
Supervalue from 56xx, fold equity from overpairs(minus KK) and unless he has AKKx we can hit the ace too, we're holding such blockers


Clutch   United States. Nov 06 2009 02:18. Posts 83

Preflop is a fold.
Super easy Pot/get it in on the flop. The bare nut flush draw is usually going to be enough for 100bbs here, but with an overpair, you've got the stone nuts. Some kind of pair/gutter/flushdraw can be completely crushed now that he can get it in with. People don't fold 5678 here.
On the turn, I probably just shove. If he has the Q or J high flush, put him to a decision. I wouldn't be surprised if he had 77 here either. There is a good chance he doesn't put you on the nut flush on the turn, because you only flat called the flop. Most players probably don't try to bluff people off of flushes, but this is the best spot to do it. Your hand looks like a 6 or 8 high flush. On the river I probably bet a little bit less. Basically, the less you bet, the more you get called. I highly doubt anyone is calling an all in with a Q or J high flush here. I probably bet 60.
This is why we shove flop tho.


locoo   Peru. Nov 07 2009 08:17. Posts 4566

wow PF is a fold? I would call/3bet there all day OTB

bitte bitte bitte bitte bitte bitte 

TianYuan    Korea (South). Nov 07 2009 09:09. Posts 6817

Would it change if the hand was AsJs8c8h?
If it was AsJc8s8c I'm almost assuming it'd be a call.

Hm.. Off-suite socks..Last edit: 07/11/2009 09:10

DustySwedeDude   Sweden. Nov 08 2009 11:51. Posts 8623

yea ds stuff with nutflush-thingys and straighstuff and all kinds or random nice stuff is obv not a fold. AJ88 with only one fd is more of a "omfg wtf am I supposed to hit "


 



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