Semibluffin' with a set

I have [ Ad Jd Kh Jc ], that is; nutblocker in the Kh and a set for some full house outs.

Submitted by : DustySwedeDude

***** Hand History for Game 2875725418 ***** (Prima)
$600.00 USD PL Omaha - Monday, October 05, 03:19:02 ET 2009
Table Measure Middle 2 (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Seat 1: Vottilainen ( $863.85 USD )
Seat 2: maiztah ( $767.25 USD )
Seat 3: ultimatefox ( $1342.86 USD )
Seat 4: ants99 ( $549.30 USD )
Seat 6: Hero ( $1146.56 USD )
Hero posts small blind [$3.00 USD].
Vottilainen posts big blind [$6.00 USD].

Holecards
   
maiztah calls [$6.00 USD]
ultimatefox folds
ants99 folds
Hero calls [$3.00 USD]
Vottilainen checks

Flop (Pot : $18.00)

   
Hero bets [$18.00 USD]
Vottilainen raises [$72.00 USD]
maiztah folds
Hero calls [$54.00 USD]

Turn (Pot : $162.00)

   
Hero checks
Vottilainen bets [$102.00 USD]
Hero raises [$468.00 USD]
Vottilainen

I'm not very good at PLO (at all) but I do know I'd probably do this everytime as well, so I'd be interested in seeing some good players opinions on this :s

Like, only thing that he won't really have a decision with (provided he doesn't think you are insane, which he might) is something along the lines of QQ /w a flush? Although, given the board it's hard to imagine you ever having a worse flush so it'd be purely a "well at least I have outs/blockers to him having a flush".

Calling seems really gross to me, oop, won't get any bets in on a paired river and might get bluffed, can't call since he can vb pretty light once we just call etc...

If this guy is a thinking player, its hard to put you on the nut flush. I'd much prefer this play if you had the Ah in your hand, cause if you're in villain's shoes its hard to understand why you would donk the flop then just call his raise with a bare 2nd nut flush draw, and any combo draws that you donk you should be jamming over his flop raise. Not to mention he probably knows any bare K high draws would be checked nearly 100% of the time on the flop, cause you just get yourself into shitty spots by bloating the pot while not knowing if you're even drawing to the nuts. So when this turn hits, its really hard for you to have the nut flush in his eyes, and I would expect him to bet/call all his lower flushes for value.

Also why aren't you just jamming the flop? Seems like you're getting a bit fancy here on a super drawy board.

Getting second set in on this flop in a limped pot seems bad -.-?

On October 06 2009 12:49 DONKEYLUVIN wrote: If this guy is a thinking player, its hard to put you on the nut flush. I'd much prefer this play if you had the Ah in your hand, cause if you're in villain's shoes its hard to understand why you would donk the flop then just call his raise with a bare 2nd nut flush draw, and any combo draws that you donk you should be jamming over his flop raise. Not to mention he probably knows any bare K high draws would be checked nearly 100% of the time on the flop, cause you just get yourself into shitty spots by bloating the pot while not knowing if you're even drawing to the nuts. So when this turn hits, its really hard for you to have the nut flush in his eyes, and I would expect him to bet/call all his lower flushes for value. Also why aren't you just jamming the flop? Seems like you're getting a bit fancy here on a super drawy board.

I'll give you the benefit of doubt and assume that you didn't notice it was a limped pot, but even so I think that reasoning seems full of holes. I can't donk less then the nutflush but he can raise and stack off on the turn with them?

Decent flush + QQ could probably bet/call but less then that I don't think it's good with the stack to pot ratio.

i think this rocks

doesnt seem too bad if he folds enough, which im not sure he will. i agree with donkeyluvin in that you would just 3bet the flop with the nut flush draw + pairs/straight draws/ect

i suck at plo too though so take my advice fwiw (hurry up and post something peachy)

he doesn't have flush draw on the flop so his hand isn't that strong to get it in