10-20 9k pot with the jacks

Submitted by : Smuft

***** Hand History for Game 1872920751 ***** IPoker
$2000.00 USD NL Texas Holdem - Friday, October 02, 02:16:27 ET 2009
Table Restar No DP 50 bb min Real Money
Seat 6 is the button
Seat 1: SmartRookie $2531.50 USD
Seat 3: arbido $2367.50 USD
Seat 5: Ch0c0lateMaN $1930.00 USD
Seat 6: T3HCH03SNON3 $4896.00 USD
Seat 8: cccp8 $1980.00 USD
Seat 10: Hero $4402.00 USD
cccp8 posts small blind [$10.00 USD].
Hero posts big blind [$20.00 USD].

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to Hero
SmartRookie folds
arbido raises [$60.00 USD]
Ch0c0lateMaN folds
T3HCH03SNON3 calls [$60.00 USD]
cccp8 folds
Hero raises [$230.00 USD]
arbido calls [$190.00 USD]
T3HCH03SNON3 calls [$190.00 USD]

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $740.00)

   
Hero bets [$520.00 USD]
arbido folds
T3HCH03SNON3 calls [$520.00 USD]

Turn (Pot : $1,780.00)

   
Hero checks
T3HCH03SNON3 bets [$1320.00 USD]
Hero calls [$1320.00 USD]

River (Pot : $4,420.00)

   
Hero checks
T3HCH03SNON3 bets [$2806.00 USD]
Hero calls [$2312.00 USD]

Assuming the guy would 3b the fish pretty light for value we can exclude probably 99+ from his range here, we obviously have a bluffcatcher and after calling turn that river plays itself, so the question is do we call turn... I think yea, I mean we are beat by a pretty narrow range and we have no indication of the guy being a huge nit, so I think this is standard.

another spot where i think a fold is better straight EV-wise but a call is better from a game theory and psychological perspective.

Yeah ur hand is a bluff catcher and i dont think an average tag is making a big river bluff when ur hand looks like TT+. Folding here is so exploitable and annoying though :[.

dont think id ever fold river if i called turn

On October 02 2009 19:19 PoorUser wrote: dont think id ever fold river if i called turn

yeah but the question really is do you call the turn and what factors into ur decision there?

For me there are 2 major points to consider for whether or not to call the turn bet:

1. my largish flop cbet into 2 players limits his calling range a fair amount
2. a lot of his weak made hands and weaker draws will often check behind the turn but his value hands will always valuebet

I think in order to make a profitable turn call here you have to know your opponent is capable of floating flop with a wide range and/or betting when checked to with the majority of his range

I call... it's hard to beat JJ.

does ur opponent think u r folding overpair cuz its obvious you have that

On October 03 2009 03:10 Rekrul wrote: does ur opponent think u r folding overpair cuz its obvious you have that

Yea this. I feel also this call is much more profitable on ipoker than stars or ft. Feel like on stars or ft most ppl think "shit he has an overpair no way he folds" whereas on ipoker ppl think "cool he has an overpair so I'll just bet turn shove river so I can rep the 9".

i think i would normally fold turn unless we had some sort've dynamic going that dictated otherwise

his sizing is pretty scary too

i only play on stars though

results ?

I will usually bet/call the turn or check/fold, would have to have a more specific read to c/c turn or c/r turn i think.. I think bet/call is good b/c i think its more likely he has a draw than 9x or a set, and alot of players will trick themselves into thinking they can make you fold a big hand on the turn after you bet by repping the 9 when they have like some flushdraw+gutshot or whatever.. idk, tough hand