Smallest boat super deep.

Playing at Palomar 5/10 trying to get the game to go $10/20 but the fucking floor guys were gay yesterday. Anyways, sitting in the game with Evan and my friend Jake and we had like 6 of the 9 guys straddling which was somewhat nice.

This young asian kid named Brett (prolly just turned 21) walks in. I've seen him playing the $25/50 PLO and $100/200 mixed limit games (which spreads triple draw, badugi, O8, stud8, all sorts of gypsy multi-card poker games) and I heard he's been doing well in it. Brett notices there is no big game going, so decides to come sit to my direct left at our $5/10. First 20 mins he starts playing super monkey aggro, but somewhat competent. He started double straddling which made the game 10/20/40 which was all loads of fun, but some of the other guys at the table weren't really enjoying playing with it.

History: I was playing pretty snug for the most part right when he sat down, since he was playing a shit ton of pots and playing them really aggressive, and since we were sitting 3k+ deep I figured he was prolly gonna try and get me into some hard decisions. Only hands we really played vs each other was one where I raised and cbet a 9-7-5 board with QT and he raised in a 3-way pot. And then one were Evan raises in CO, I flat on button with 55 and Brett flats in the sb. Flop comes A-2-4 and Brett leads a little under half pot, Evan folds and I call. On turn I bink my 5. Brett bets close to pot I call. River comes a 7, he slightly overbets the pot and I snap and he shows 22. Pretty standard. He then sees me take down a couple other pots at showdown with me showing pretty strong holdings almost all the time.

Hand goes as follows, for some reason Brett forgot it was his straddle or something, and looks at his hand, then limps in under the gun. Gets limped 7 ways to me in the big blind I look at and check. Flop comes , SB checks I bet $60 into like $70. Brett raises to $190 and everyone else folds behind him. I'm not entirely thrilled with the spot given we were like $4k deep, so I feel calling is pretty much the best move. I call.

Turn comes , for the nice bink giving me bottom boat. I check and Brett thinks for a couple seconds then checks behind. River comes , missing all the combo draws on the flop. I check, Brett now bombs $580. So I think for a little bit and make it $1400 total. He cuts out $800 for the call... thinks for about 3 minutes. And then announces all-in for $2215 on top. O_O wtf?

pretty sure i snap call, your line will induce often enough vs good players, esp who think you might fold a boat this deep because you think 400bb is "super deep" in a game where 400bb is pretty much 100bb

if you have a legitimately comfortable bankroll to play in a game like this with a player like this, i don't think you even hesitate before calling here. of course, that bankroll is like 200k+ imo

Am i correct to think i have a bluff catcher here right?

what an amazing hand. not sure i have an opinion one way or the other as i think this is read dependent, dynamics etc and general feel. i dunno what your intuition tells you, but given the history i dont think you can fold and look urself in the mirror for a long time. you'd always wonder..

interesting hand though for sure. i feel like he has Q3s lol. still call tho

think it's never Q3... think it's 44 88 or QQ if im beat... but nothing makes sense since he's never limped preflop before so like I feel that his preflop doesnt do anything to define is range since he's utg... mb means he doesnt limp absolute shit hands but not really much else

i think you have a bluff catcher yeah

When Brett overbet bombs 580$ on the river, what did you think he was holding?

what does he raise to 190 on the flop with

does he play top set like that


does he play anything else like that

does he limp QQ utg

could he be playing AA or KK like this for value on the river

I mean, if ur hand is a bluff catcher.... what is he ever bluffing with here?
56s ?

fold ur boat that wins and then fold ur losing boat vs me later that session and stack off 3 buyins

you lose a very weirdly played 44 and very random q3s limped utg - i dont see how this is anything other than a call given description

you should even try negotiating to play with money from your wallets so you can reraise

Does he check behind QQ on like the best turn ever?It depends if he check or bet his made full on turn.U are quite deep so he prolly bet his turned full a higher % of time than checking it behind.I think the only hand he can have is 88(small percent of QQ),so basically u have the 2nd nuts.

Dumb river check, bet out on the river always IMO. You get called lighter and induce more bluffs and have no tough decisions, while choosing the bet size. As played i think its acutally a fold but i'd never fold. I think you get shown 88 like ALOT

i totally agree with mez. however im not folding at this point without more history. i prob think for a min. say crap and throw my bills into the pot as if to say fuck you

also i think with the sizing of it all it is a little more likely than one might think that he is bluffing this river. he bet close to 600 and u raised to 1400 total and theres 2200 more. thats a sick nice spot for him if he thinks u would fold stuff like this. if he isn't the type that is only front end aggression i would definitely call down here with the givin history. or lack of i guess. ALSO i would like to add that from the previous history its fairly likely he is stuck, and hes in a game hes not familiar with (the people playing in it, its not his normal game, even him having misconceptions of what makes people big winners in it). he might be feeling a little cornered or like he is misplaying the game a little and needs to start bluffing more. When people are stuck especially live there is a spazz factor to consider

Well his hand looks like a missed draw, i assume he would bet all his strong hands on the turn this deep on such a drawy board,except maybe 88 that wants you to get there, some fish play it that way, anyway id snap.

I'd call this or flat the river I think. I guess he does this with 44 and 88 but I dunno. Feels to weird to fold. Dunno though, I think I'd call if you think he thinks you're raising 88 pf most of the time. Dunno what he reps and in his spot I feel that any 8x semi makes sense a bit at least. Or just something fairly random that decides that you can't have anything but 44 or 43.

i think villain is really clever and unusually cute if he checks 88 on the turn

which is possible for sure but not that likely

i mean yeah checking 88 can be good of course, i just don't expect that many people to actually do it, and certainly not so often in a game this aggressive and this deep

Given the description of the villain (capable of playing multiple types of games, good PLO player, likes to overbet) it sounds like he is confident, creative, and capable. Therefore I 100% agree with Clay. As played its one of those situations where he is repping such a narrow range of hands BUT the probability that he is bluffing is so low. You decide...

My personal opinion is that he has the ONE combination of 44 about 80% of the time as i don't really see him ever limping QQ, I don't see him bluffing, and maybe hes limping 88 like 20% of the time.

I DUNNO --;

Like, the problem im having with this hand is he's smart enough to know he reps absolute nothing here. wtf...