4 to straight on river with top set

Submitted by : genjix

PokerStars Game #30050586319: Holdem No Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2009/07/03 10:33:02 ET
Table Fidelio 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: NunoBRAINIAK ($7.80 in chips)
Seat 2: Radzikku ($7.15 in chips)
Seat 3: eOne2110 ($1.85 in chips)
Seat 4: 976Csaba ($11.85 in chips)
Seat 5: BadBoyz26 ($10.70 in chips)
Seat 6: lexocon ($3.10 in chips)
Seat 7: Seeschlumpf ($13 in chips)
Seat 8: Hero ($10 in chips)
Seat 9: Cesar1o ($2 in chips)
976Csaba: posts small blind $0.05
BadBoyz26: posts big blind $0.10

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
lexocon: folds
Seeschlumpf: raises $0.20 to $0.30
Hero: calls $0.30
Cesar1o: folds
NunoBRAINIAK: folds
Radzikku: folds
eOne2110: folds
976Csaba: folds
BadBoyz26: folds

Flop (Pot : $0.75)

   
Seeschlumpf: bets $0.70
Hero: raises $1.50 to $2.20
Seeschlumpf: calls $1.50

Turn (Pot : $5.15)

   
Seeschlumpf: checks
Hero: bets $3.20
Seeschlumpf: calls $3.20

River (Pot : $11.55)

   
Seeschlumpf: checks
Hero:

i check behind and i really dont think saying that its less likely he has it on the river because he would have led is valid because of your line...also i would have bet turn much larger like 4.50-4.75

Raise more flop bet more turn.

whats wrong with the flop raise? i raised it pot.

its only a 1/2 pot shove right? if he might call with lower sets and AA then its a good shove.
you have to be ahead of at least 50% of his calling range, yeah, hes going to have a straight some of the time, but if he calls with the range you think he does then you should beat more than 50%. if you think he would fold alot then its a check back.

rest of the hand is well played.

thanks.

funny you say that cos he did have AA ;p good read

turn bet is horrible on this board.
I would bet 5.2

so you set mine with JJ and you hit, bet it like a man

On July 03 2009 21:21 genjix wrote: whats wrong with the flop raise? i raised it pot.

.7 + .7 + .75 = 2.15

1.50 doesn't = 2.15

if you had have potted it, pot would be $1.30 more on turn (6.45).

say you bet 5, then pot is 16.45 on river with a lil under 2$ left and it's a meaningless shove/call

On July 03 2009 21:21 genjix wrote: whats wrong with the flop raise? i raised it pot.

'POTSIZE BET
A term that is often used is the potsize bet: it should be part of the standard repertoire of every poker player, as its size is very easy to figure out with a minimum of practice.

A potsize bet is equal to three times the opponent's bet plus the current pot size:
For example, if the pot is $10 and villain bets another $10 on the flop, the potsize bet, or the potsize raise in this case, is calculated like this: $10*3 + $10 = $40.

Why does this matter so much? Well, it comes in very handy when we need protection. For instance, you know that an OESD (8 outs) or a flushdraw (9 outs) improves one out of 5 times on the turn, and even one out of 3 times up to the river. This means it is extremely important what odds you give to your opponent with your bet.

When you do a potsize raise, the odds he gets are always 2:1. If he calls that bet, he makes a mathematical mistake (not taking into consideration implied odds).

Let's take another look at our example:

Due to your $40 raise, the opponent has to pay $30 to see the turn. His possible return on value is the current pot of $10 plus his own bet of $10, plus your raise of $40, adding up to $60. The ratio of $60 / $30 gives him odds of 2:1.'

-PS.com

These are basics you must know really.
At micros you don't have to care about your hand being too transparent, so you can adjust your bet or raise sizes as is mathematically the most profitable / forces Villains to make bigger mistakes (which they will make, nobody at NL10 will try to estimate pot odds and equity - they WILL call a 2.90 the same amount of time as 2.20.)

yeh ok my mistake. i miscalc the numbers when looking at the hh

i shoved river and he called with AA

im pretty sure its bad to shove this river concidering how he played

On July 05 2009 03:13 Spitfiree wrote: im pretty sure its bad to shove this river concidering how he played

True, he shouldn't be able to have two pair and set type hands the way it's been played. But then again it's NL10

check. youre only getting called by better. you wont extract any more money out of 2 pair.

On July 05 2009 18:33 strydah wrote: check. youre only getting called by better. you wont extract any more money out of 2 pair.

are you sure? he called a shove with AA