VB how much deep NL200?

Villain is a fairly standard TAG. This session, I 3B him several times. First he 4B and I folded cuz he never 4Bs. 2nd he folded. 3rd was his UTG+1 vs me IP 3B, we got it in AK vs QQ, and I won the race. This is 4th hand we are playing this session. How much would you Vbet here? Also, who would make Turn raise bigger?

Also, in the unlikely scenario where he Ch-Shoves, we can says fuck life and fold?

Submitted by : phexac

Full Tilt Poker Game #13063161801: Table Shawn (6 max, deep) - $1/$2 - No Limit Hold'em - 15:34:56 ET - 2009/06/27
Seat 1: dmkai3 ($496.80)
Seat 2: xHustler10x ($403.15)
Seat 3: Hero ($477)
Seat 4: Blastin2212 ($485.10)
Seat 5: IhaveSeizure ($397)
Seat 6: Proudhon ($369)
Blastin2212 posts the small blind of $1
IhaveSeizure posts the big blind of $2
The button is in seat #3

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
Proudhon folds
dmkai3 has 15 seconds left to act
dmkai3 raises to $6
Blastin2212: nh
xHustler10x folds
Hero calls $6
Blastin2212 folds
IhaveSeizure folds

Flop (Pot : $15.00)

   
dmkai3 bets $12
Hero calls $12

Turn (Pot : $39.00)

   
dmkai3 has 15 seconds left to act
Hero: ty
dmkai3 bets $28
Hero raises to $78
dmkai3 calls $50

River (Pot : $195.00)

   
dmkai3 checks
Hero

i bet large and prob call a shove

sounds like you should 3bet preflop?

1/2 pot bet/fold imo

164

On June 27 2009 15:10 palak wrote: and prob call a shove

On June 27 2009 15:15 CrownRoyal wrote: sounds like you should 3bet preflop? 1/2 pot bet/fold imo

Why 3B PF?

EDIT: OK dumb question as worded. What I meant was why 3B PF in this particular instance?

bigger turn and 2/3ish pot on river

flatting this guy pre is fine imo. hes 4bet or fold, this deep, so probably more value in flatting deep

I probably bet like 164 and fold

On June 27 2009 17:03 Bigbobm wrote: bigger turn and 2/3ish pot on river flatting this guy pre is fine imo. hes 4bet or fold, this deep, so probably more value in flatting deep

On June 27 2009 17:14 Bullshit wrote: I probably bet like 164 and fold

why is he "4b or fold"???

$90-100 max

villian would have to be really horrible to pay off a nit here with worse

i prob bet like 105, and i'd fold to a shove, villain is never shoving worse than AQ here ever

On June 27 2009 18:43 CrownRoyal wrote: why is he "4b or fold"???

I never actually said he was. But he actually kinda is.

take this nigga to value town.

vary bet sizing depending on how bad he is/ how he views you.

On June 27 2009 19:46 phexac wrote: Show nested quote + On June 27 2009 18:43 CrownRoyal wrote: why is he "4b or fold"??? I never actually said he was. But he actually kinda is.

so he never 4bets and hes 4bet or fold, so he always folds. Tough nut to crack.

On June 28 2009 00:10 Fraser wrote: Show nested quote + On June 27 2009 19:46 phexac wrote:   On June 27 2009 18:43 CrownRoyal wrote: why is he "4b or fold"??? I never actually said he was. But he actually kinda is. so he never 4bets and hes 4bet or fold, so he always folds. Tough nut to crack.

When I said in original post that he never 4Bs, it means his 4B % is really low--less than 10%. Thought that was understood.

no ones 4b% is higher than 10%

On June 28 2009 13:36 CrownRoyal wrote: no ones 4b% is higher than 10%

If we're talking "vs 3bet raise %" then mine is. I think like half the regs on prima 4bets more then 10% of the times they get 3bet too. I consider anything lower then 12ish enough so that I can 3bet people with good but not "OMFG I WANT TO 5bet SHOVE"-hands.

oh i misread that as like how 3b% works and i 3b a fuckload and my % there is only 12 so i figured no one could 4b 10% of hands

if its like ur describing then i would assume most everyone is over 10%

same as tom & fayth, and wtf at people saying call a shove lol

On June 27 2009 19:11 TalentedTom wrote: $90-100 max villian would have to be really horrible to pay off a nit here with worse

Stop calling me a nit, it hurtz!!!!

Submitted by : phexac

PokerStars Game #29174137888: Holdem No Limit ($1/$2) - 2009/06/09 13:20:22 ET
Table Transvaalia IV 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: iBetUcaliWin ($213 in chips)
Seat 2: jongreenway ($273.30 in chips)
Seat 3: Imandra ($292.80 in chips)
Seat 4: ringots ($199 in chips)
Seat 5: sanyakms ($179.15 in chips)
Seat 6: Hero ($203.25 in chips)
iBetUcaliWin: posts small blind $1
jongreenway: posts big blind $2

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to Hero
Imandra: folds
ringots: folds
sanyakms: folds
Hero: raises $4 to $6
iBetUcaliWin: folds
jongreenway: raises $14 to $20
Hero: raises $26 to $46
jongreenway: raises $227.30 to $273.30 and is all-in
Hero: calls $157.25 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($70.05) returned to jongreenway

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $407.50)

   
jongreenway said, "get ther"

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $407.50)

   

River (Pot : $407.50)

   

Showdown
jongreenway: shows (high card Jack)
Hero: shows (high card King)
jongreenway said, "dam"
Hero collected $404.50 from pot

Summary
Total pot $407.50 | Rake $3
Board  
Seat 1: iBetUcaliWin (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: jongreenway (big blind) showed and lost with high card Jack
Seat 3: Imandra folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 4: ringots folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 5: sanyakms folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 6: Hero (button) showed and won ($404.50) with high card King