nl25 99, turn action

villian is 33/27/5. a few hands ago he got stacked when he called someones all in with a combo draw.

Submitted by : Into Infinity

PokerStars Game #29753835182: Holdem No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2009/06/24 21:16:43 PT [2009/06/25 0:16:43 ET]
Table Gratia II 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: ZachShalack4 ($26.70 in chips)
Seat 2: tapicoco ($11.65 in chips)
Seat 3: faisdf ($24.65 in chips)
Seat 4: RunGOODplz ($37.50 in chips)
Seat 5: benjab ($34.60 in chips)
Seat 6: indystopia ($25 in chips)
benjab: posts small blind $0.10
indystopia: posts big blind $0.25

Holecards
Dealt to RunGOODplz
ZachShalack4: folds
tapicoco: folds
faisdf: folds
RunGOODplz: raises $0.75 to $1
benjab: calls $0.90
indystopia: folds

Flop (Pot : $2.25)

   
benjab: checks
RunGOODplz: bets $1.75
benjab: raises $3 to $4.75
RunGOODplz: calls $3

Turn (Pot : $11.75)

   
benjab: checks
RunGOODplz:

I personally don't 3b the flop at 25nl, especially this deep. It would seem to fold out everything you beat and if you get it in here you'll most likely be behind, unless he is just tilting with A8s. Either way, IMO flatting is good.

On the turn I'd be afraid of a check/raise, esp. against a somewhat looser opponent. I'd check behind, and call a bet on pretty much any river. Obv. if he checks river fire a vbet.

If you don't have the 9c I'd probably bet/fold on the turn.

[edit] actually now that I think about it bet/folding seems ok on the turn too..

check turn call good river cards

bet the turn this is so easy when ur in position
when ur oop its alot harder lol

I think I would be betting that turn...if he raises...a lot easier to fold...as opposed to facing a weird river bet like an all in or something.

just check. your hand has plenty of showdown value and betting would turn your hand slightly bluffy.

wat do u think he raises on this flop? high cards + flush draws, pocketpairs, 8x, 4x

checking turn may induce bluff on river if he's tilted but i think checking turn and reevaluating river is a better play

On June 25 2009 02:54 jasper5408 wrote: just check. your hand has plenty of showdown value and betting would turn your hand slightly bluffy. wat do u think he raises on this flop? high cards + flush draws, pocketpairs, 8x, 4x checking turn may induce bluff on river if he's tilted but i think checking turn and reevaluating river is a better play

you just raised the flop in a way ahead-waybehind situation and you dont know if you're wa/wb, potcontrol!

On June 25 2009 03:07 rogier wrote: Show nested quote + On June 25 2009 02:54 jasper5408 wrote: just check. your hand has plenty of showdown value and betting would turn your hand slightly bluffy. wat do u think he raises on this flop? high cards + flush draws, pocketpairs, 8x, 4x checking turn may induce bluff on river if he's tilted but i think checking turn and reevaluating river is a better play you just raised the flop in a way ahead-waybehind situation and you dont know if you're wa/wb, potcontrol!

he called the raise he didnt raise.

i bet/fold here

what jasper said, +

Don't raise flop, there is no reason to overplay your hand.

if youre thinking of valuebetting the turn to charge weaker pairs/1 card flush draws, will you be brave enough to value a blank river? If not then get your bet in on the river and not on the turn, where he could have already hit his flush.

On the river you have a clearer perception of where you stand in the hand if you check behind the turn. You can mull over a call if he donks out, or decide what to do if he checks to you a third time. betting the turn here would be purely for thin value whereas the river action will play out straightforwardly.

You also don't want to get blown off your 1pair hand should he spaz checkraise you all in on the turn since he just lost the previous pot.

crhist. can people look at the hand before posting.

1. he didnt raise the flop. he made a standard valuebet/continuation bet (which is pretty mandatory on this board). and the raise was villains.

2. of course he have to call the raise, a 3-bet is not that horrible either (and obv call a shove)

3. chk behind on turn. kind of marginal to bet with 99 here. is it for value? as a bluff? kind of meh.. agree w/ jasper here.

4. valuebet river if he checks again.

kind of thin tough but oh well.. people are stubborn.

it's also kind of nice that we have the 9c, which means we don't give up too much equity by checking either (to low draws like 8x7c)

Seems like people can't read the hand correctly...

Anyways, agree with jasper. If you bet the turn would it be bluff or value ? Check imo

i like to pot control here, we really dont want to get raised and there isnt that much value in betting.

Unless you know he's sick tilted just check the turn (and if you bet the turn you're potting the river on any non-8 and maybe A too).

If he's a standard player he has a bluff, a 4 or a flush here most of the time with some random 8 mixed in and two bets more vs that range can't be good, so just check and hope to suck out or get some value on the river.

Oh and never raise the flop here lol, you are gonna fold out all his air and get it in vs a range that has you smoked.

I raise here, I would think it's very capable for him to make this play with AQ AJ AT and 8x on this flop. If you get any resistance after the bet then either slow it down with a c/c or fold.