NL 200 deep

Submitted by : bober1

Full Tilt Poker Game #13007717432: Table Bear (6 max, deep) - $1/$2 - No Limit Hold'em - 16:21:06 ET - 2009/06/24
Seat 1: larser52 ($200)
Seat 2: Trent Wynne ($454.90)
Seat 3: Bobs90 ($207.30)
Seat 4: Boberish ($680.25)
Seat 5: QEDed ($200)
Seat 6: Mentos190 ($445.80)
Mentos190 posts the small blind of $1
larser52 has 5 seconds left to act
larser52 is sitting out
Trent Wynne posts the big blind of $2
The button is in seat #5

Holecards
Dealt to Boberish
larser52 stands up
Bobs90 has 15 seconds left to act
Bobs90 folds
Boberish raises to $6
QEDed folds
Mentos190 raises to $23
Trent Wynne folds
Mighty S3rb adds $200
Trent Wynne stands up
Boberish calls $17

Flop (Pot : $48.00)

   
Mentos190 has 15 seconds left to act
Mentos190 checks
Boberish bets $32
Mentos190 has 15 seconds left to act
Mentos190 calls $32

Turn (Pot : $112.00)

   
Mentos190 has 15 seconds left to act
Mentos190 checks
Boberish has 15 seconds left to act
Boberish bets $92
Mentos190 has 15 seconds left to act
Mentos190 calls $92

River (Pot : $296.00)

   
Mentos190 has 15 seconds left to act
Mentos190 checks
Boberish

if you feel AA/JJ and shit can fold to a river shove then i don't mind betting something like 1/3 to 1/2 pot on river. his line looks so much like QQ it's amazing.

this is a SUPER easy shove ;0 if hes 3-betting a decent amount hes gonna have weaker kings in his range which hes to pussy to bet and is pot controllong, similarly he can have a ton of Tx hands in his range. Force him to make a difficult river descion here, please dont assume he cant call with a lot worse

On June 24 2009 22:44 TalentedTom wrote: this is a SUPER easy shove ;0 if hes 3-betting a decent amount hes gonna have weaker kings in his range which hes to pussy to bet and is pot controllong, similarly he can have a ton of Tx hands in his range. Force him to make a difficult river descion here, please dont assume he cant call with a lot worse

Why shove if you're just going for value though? He still has $300 left, 1.5 times the pot so if he has a weaker hand he might be inclined to call a 1/2-2/3 pot size bet where he'd fold to a shove. If he shoves you can always call, or if you have the read make the fold though that would be very tough to do.

Edit: meh i'm an idiot, i have no business in posting on a hand with stacks bigger than my bank roll

make a bet of 254 or something like that

Versus this villain I am not at all worried about us being beat here, so my main concern would be getting paid. Only issue here is that 1/3 and 1/2 Pot bets are basically just as scary as a full pot shove and will get called about as ofter as a shove imo, so to induce calls from his weak holdings you need to bet an obnoxiously small amount, like 1/6 pot or something. So I think you either gotta bet that or shove and hope to get a call out of AA or a weaker King. I doubt he takes this line w TT or KT since he should be betting to get max value. Only hand that I can see that we are beat by at this point is KQ.

In my experience this player likes to 3B a lot and then loses a bunch in 3B pot when he runs into a strong hand cuz he's kinda lagtarded where 3B pots are concerned (for example, he will 3B A TON more OOP from blinds than OTB).

Basically, I think this spot is tough because it's hard to see what he takes this line with, and frankly the Q kinda puts a blocker to/gives full house to one of his most likely holdings. And I just don't know if he would call a big river bet with KJ here since it should be obvious that it only beats a bluff on this board.

I guess I just shove and let villain come up with a reason to call because as I mentioned above, in order to get a call from the weak holdings, I think you need to bet MUCH smaller, to the point where I think your shove will get called ofter enough by worse that it's more profitable that a 1/6 pot milking bet.

The pot has 300 he has 300 left its a sign from heaven imo.

You'd need a pretty damn nitty image not to shove this.

So you guys all prefer a shove over a bet of like 150 here? In my mind if i shove here most people will puss out for 200bb with marginal hands, for the most part. I ended up betting 150 and he shoved for about a min raise, and i felt gross.

On June 25 2009 14:41 bober1 wrote: So you guys all prefer a shove over a bet of like 150 here? In my mind if i shove here most people will puss out for 200bb with marginal hands, for the most part. I ended up betting 150 and he shoved for about a min raise, and i felt gross.

150 here looks just as scary imo. That is why I personally think you should either bet really tiny to milk the dude or just shove and have him call that with whatever he will.

On June 25 2009 14:41 bober1 wrote: So you guys all prefer a shove over a bet of like 150 here? In my mind if i shove here most people will puss out for 200bb with marginal hands, for the most part. I ended up betting 150 and he shoved for about a min raise, and i felt gross.

when hes check calling a 85% pot size bet on the turn with a hand like Tx, hes playing bluffcatcher, why make a stupid gay OBVIOUS river value bet when a bet of 300 looks way more bluffy

if i had a hand like AT here i'd be super curious if my opponent shoved since the range they are repping is death thin, but if they bet 150 i'd think "ty retard" (against a conventional mid stakes opponent).

Note how all the 100-200nl reg guys say bet 150, but everyone who plays bigger says shove. 150 looks like such an obvious gay valuebet, its sickening

against a bad fish 150 is prob better, but against a regular 300 is way superior

On June 25 2009 15:34 TalentedTom wrote: against a bad fish 150 is prob better, but against a regular 300 is way superior

so what happened? lol

i think a 150$ and a shove will be viewed as value most of the time, but for some reason a big but not all in bet gets more calls in my experience

obv shove.. 10+ is not calling when u bet small. bet big

Result? Did he have Aces? -.-

he obv had KQ