Bottom Set v Turn C/R

Villain is a TAG reg (16/12 or so), but no history between us. Haven't seen any notable showdowns.

Two questions:

On turn: Call, raise, fold?

River as played: Shove, check?


Submitted by : Sicks Macks

Full Tilt Poker Game #13006394315: Table Skoglund (6 max) - $0.50/$1 - No Limit Hold'em - 15:05:21 ET - 2009/06/24
Seat 1: TAGREG ($111.60)
Seat 2: lasvegaspaul ($76)
Seat 3: Hero ($100)
Seat 4: yhate4 ($171.95)
Seat 5: Rhythms ($100)
Seat 6: MasterS86 ($108)
TAGREG posts the small blind of $0.50
lasvegaspaul posts the big blind of $1
The button is in seat #6

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
Hero raises to $3.50
yhate4 folds
Rhythms folds
MasterS86 folds
TAGREG calls $3
lasvegaspaul folds

Flop (Pot : $8.00)

   
TAGREG has 15 seconds left to act
TAGREG checks
Hero bets $5
TAGREG has 15 seconds left to act
TAGREG calls $5

Turn (Pot : $18.00)

   
TAGREG checks
Hero has 15 seconds left to act
Hero bets $13
TAGREG has 15 seconds left to act
TAGREG raises to $38
Hero has 15 seconds left to act
Hero has requested TIME
Hero calls $25

River (Pot : $94.00)

   
TAGREG has 15 seconds left to act
TAGREG checks
Hero has 15 seconds left to act

FWIW, on turn I expected him to shove almost all rivers...

Balls, I meant to put this in midstakes. Can a mod move this please?

Its pretty obvious that you should shove the river isnt it? Whether or not to shove over on the turn is the question imo, and need more info on villain to answer that. Once he checks the river it really looks like 99-JJ, or AdXx.

On June 24 2009 17:27 Fraser wrote: Its pretty obvious that you should shove the river isnt it? Whether or not to shove over on the turn is the question imo, and need more info on villain to answer that. Once he checks the river it really looks like 99-JJ, or AdXx.

Definitely agree with the read. But there's no way he calls the river with any of those hands (right?). I'm not really sure he calls with 2p here (because I should appear solid enough to not call turn with Ad, so I have no bluffs in my range). I'd shove 88 easy here, but I don't know what 33 gets looked up by.

i shove
would probably get it in on the turn tho

On June 24 2009 17:36 Sicks Macks wrote: Show nested quote + On June 24 2009 17:27 Fraser wrote: Its pretty obvious that you should shove the river isnt it? Whether or not to shove over on the turn is the question imo, and need more info on villain to answer that. Once he checks the river it really looks like 99-JJ, or AdXx. Definitely agree with the read. But there's no way he calls the river with any of those hands (right?). I'm not really sure he calls with 2p here (because I should appear solid enough to not call turn with Ad, so I have no bluffs in my range). I'd shove 88 easy here, but I don't know what 33 gets looked up by.

also pair + straight/flush draws and 44's me thinks.

ummm,

He's a good player. He doesn't have 44, and all his pair and FD are suited connector type hands that have really low diamond draws and horrible RIO (he's not calling in the sb with Ad8x for ex), so he's not going with those either. Unless I'm misunderstanding what you're suggesting...

It's not obvious you should shove the river at all ... what do you think he's c/cing flop, c/ring turn with for value that's worse? it's not like he's ever got AA or any 2 pair combinations that he can c/c on the river, he's either got a hand that isn't calling or he's checking river with a better hand to induce because he thinks we may have called the turn with the ace of diamonds and are capable of bluffing with it.

Turn I'm either calling because I think he can turn something into a bluff and intend to call him down on the river or I'm calling because he always has a flush and pays us off if we boat up. The main problem is that if sets are in his range too then we are totally crushed and only have 1 out, I don't think raising the turn is good cause he never has 2 pair or AdX taking this line so you're only getting called by better, folding could be good if he never makes any moves, cause essentially all you beat on the turn is a bluff, and sets are included in his range, thus not allowing you to try and boat up profitably as when you do boat up, you lose all your money anyway.

On June 24 2009 20:39 ToT)MidiaN( wrote: It's not obvious you should shove the river at all ... what do you think he's c/cing flop, c/ring turn with for value that's worse? it's not like he's ever got AA or any 2 pair combinations that he can c/c on the river, he's either got a hand that isn't calling or he's checking river with a better hand to induce because he thinks we may have called the turn with the ace of diamonds and are capable of bluffing with it. Turn I'm either calling because I think he can turn something into a bluff and intend to call him down on the river or I'm calling because he always has a flush and pays us off if we boat up. The main problem is that if sets are in his range too then we are totally crushed and only have 1 out, I don't think raising the turn is good cause he never has 2 pair or AdX taking this line so you're only getting called by better, folding could be good if he never makes any moves, cause essentially all you beat on the turn is a bluff, and sets are included in his range, thus not allowing you to try and boat up profitably as when you do boat up, you lose all your money anyway.

I feel smart . This was my exact thought process in the actual hand, but i called turn because I err on the side of being a station.