nl50 two pair on turn vs 2 barrel

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vlseph United States. Jun 22 2009 03:36. Posts 3026

Submitted by : vlseph

PokerStars Game #29646538222: Holdem No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2009/06/22 1:45:11 CT [2009/06/22 2:45:11 ET]
Table Ostanina 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Wizard0f0dd5 ($50 in chips)
Seat 2: emo_donkey86 ($98.50 in chips)
Seat 3: penthirteen ($90.90 in chips)
Seat 4: OTL_555 ($78.45 in chips)
Seat 5: Hero ($50 in chips)
Seat 6: xraybob ($39.65 in chips)
Wizard0f0dd5: posts small blind $0.25
emo_donkey86: posts big blind $0.50

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
penthirteen: folds
OTL_555: folds
Hero: raises $1.50 to $2
xraybob: folds
Wizard0f0dd5: calls $1.75
emo_donkey86: folds

Flop (Pot : $4.50)

Wizard0f0dd5: bets $3
Hero: calls $3

Turn (Pot : $10.50)

Wizard0f0dd5: bets $8
Hero: ???

Hmm ok so this guy is 31/22/6% 3 bet over about 110 hands.
He has never donk bet before and I have no notes on him.
I find his donk to be pretty weird and I just call since I have second pair here and probably fold to a second bet on blanks.

So on the turn I pick up two pair, and he still bets, what do you all think his range and my appropriate line will be? What about river play? What should I do here on blanks, kings, queens, and jacks?

I'm still trying to figure out a range on this guy that will 2 barrel this board, and so far I'm thinking: KT,55,QJ,TT at the tightest and if he is the type (which I don't really know) he can be barreling turns where he picks up a gutshot with a pair.

The only hands a nit balances in his range are the nuts, the second nuts, and the third nuts.

4Kingell United Kingdom. Jun 22 2009 04:59. Posts 1453

I think his donk given PF call and stats is more likely QJ, 55 maybe TT, rarely KT but also could include KJ, KQ, ATs. He could be the type that will 2 barrel just because it's a "scare card" although some history would be good as the turn bet is quite large. Crappy spot but I think folding is not an option and raising is only getting calls from hands that crush you and will put you in a horrible spot so I think a passive line then re-evaluate is best. If he bets big on a blank river I think you are way behind most times.

Blank turn I fold with 2nd pair here. K/Q/J turn I still don't see how you're good and you need reads to do anything but fold imo.

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ytricky Germany. Jun 22 2009 10:03. Posts 600

Donking on this kind of board is really weird with any kind of made hand, since he should expect us to cbet this flop. So i would just call turn and raise river if bet into, expecting to see some weird shit, probably AJ, that he did not want to checkfold to a cbet on this board, maybe AQ too, sometimes QJ, dont know how tight you are percieved at the table.

iverson2k2k Canada. Jun 22 2009 20:07. Posts 475

ummmmm...I'd prolly clal the turn...see a cheap river...I mean looking at this line he's taken he could have 5s...queen jack...even 10s possibly...but he could also end up with king jack...king queen....king 10 on occasion....i'd prolly call turn..and river for cheap...make more notes...and move on.

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collegesucks United States. Jun 22 2009 21:52. Posts 5780

umm call this and call non JKQ rivers

Fox . Jun 22 2009 22:25. Posts 3110

On June 22 2009 20:52 collegesucks wrote:
umm call this and call non JKQ rivers

can we VB if he checks a JKQ river?

collegesucks United States. Jun 22 2009 23:19. Posts 5780

if we bet on JQK rivers we'd most definitely be turning our hand into a bluff

collegesucks United States. Jun 22 2009 23:25. Posts 5780

i'd check it back and expect to be ahead 60% of the time on QJ rivers

a K is probably the worst card out there for our hand =/