Satty Question

Submitted by : JonnyCosMo

Full Tilt Poker Game #12958754577: 150 Seat Main Event Guarantee (83239154), Table 406 - 2500/5000 Ante 600 - No Limit Hold'em - 0:16:04 ET - 2009/06/22
Seat 1: awojj (83,001)
Seat 2: bla2mb (63,604)
Seat 3: Sherlock1402 (37,516)
Seat 4: LeJambon (94,144)
Seat 5: shane476 (31,081)
Seat 6: amountain (45,155)
Seat 7: navtones (74,335)
Seat 8: COSMOWNED (23,888)
Seat 9: PQNEM (13,447)
awojj antes 600
bla2mb antes 600
Sherlock1402 antes 600
LeJambon antes 600
shane476 antes 600
amountain antes 600
navtones antes 600
COSMOWNED antes 600
PQNEM antes 600
bla2mb posts the small blind of 2,500
Sherlock1402 posts the big blind of 5,000
The button is in seat #1

Holecards
Dealt to COSMOWNED
LeJambon folds
shane476 folds
amountain has 15 seconds left to act
amountain folds
awojj has been disconnected
navtones has 15 seconds left to act
navtones folds
COSMOWNED has 15 seconds left to act
COSMOWNED has requested TIME
awojj has reconnected
awojj: .
amountain: yeap
COSMOWNED raises to 23,288, and is all in

I really have no clue what I'm doing right now, satellites are super gay. Like, im trying to make sense of it in my head right now and this is the best I can come up with

For those who can't read the HH, i have to get through these stacks:

Seat 9: PQNEM (13,447)
Seat 1: awojj (83,001)
Seat 2: bla2mb (63,604)
Seat 3: Sherlock1402 (37,516)

lol u sir are a degen, i think its too thin to gamble, cause that's what it really is

no

I'm really lightyears away from you pokerwise, but I would fold this.

For shoving:

Pros:
We're near the effective bubble, people are more likely to fold here. You only have to get through 4 people as first in.
Your table image (if it's nitty? Did you lose a big chunk of your stack in the previous hand(s)? If so, people are more inclined to call in my experience) if it's TAG-gy.
We only have 4.3 BBs, so we basically have to push any two.

Cons:
Well, I guess you know you're basically owned by anything they call a shove with.
Your position and stack. 4 BBs don't really have fold equity, and people are itching to look you up with K+ high (I would be at least). If you get blinded / ante'd away even more, it can get worse...but there's still a few card-deals left until the next blind comes. I would wait solely because of that.

If anyone would be so kind to point out the flaws in my reasoning, that'd be greatly appreciated. I'm trying to get better at donkaments in my spare time

cosmowned

I'd really appreciate some comments on what Cosmo should be doing here, as well as what calling ranges should be from competent players in the spot. I feel like people make a ton of ICM mistakes in sats, but I don't know exactly what's right.

On June 22 2009 12:52 Naib wrote: I'm really lightyears ahead from you pokerwise, but I would fold this.

On June 22 2009 13:18 FrinkX wrote: Show nested quote + On June 22 2009 12:52 Naib wrote: I'm really lightyears ahead of you pokerwise, but I would fold this.

Would be proper, or?

Love it I don't think you are getting called unless someone has the absolute nuts

Isn't that 13k calling pretty much any ace here and k/10+ plus all pockets? The rest need the utter nuts I think, but the shorties range here is going to be pretty large I think. Now the better tourney players can rip what I think the shorts range is apart, however, if you disagree can you please expain why I'm wrong here.

On June 22 2009 14:48 Cooper83 wrote: Isn't that 13k calling pretty much any ace here and k/10+ plus all pockets? The rest need the utter nuts I think, but the shorties range here is going to be pretty large I think. Now the better tourney players can rip what I think the shorts range is apart, however, if you disagree can you please expain why I'm wrong here.

this is not a tourney
its a sat on the bubble

People plz read the entire original post plz. It's a WSOP Main Event satellite bubble spot, I'm 152nd in chips with 162 players remaining. Stop saying I don't have fold equity on this stack, because calling ranges in the spots behind me are absurdly tight.

b/c you're so low you do need to shove, but i think this hand sucks to do it with bc you have such crappy equity. I'd wait for a better hand, shove, hope everyone folds and then fold into the seat.

i'd spite call u with the TJ sooted cosmo

did you make it?

On June 24 2009 02:54 starfritz wrote: did you make it?

hi, im jonnycosmo, and ofcourse i made it. duh?