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phexac   United States. Jun 21 2009 16:06. Posts 2563

Villain is a 50/10 station fish. I just can't CF here, so shove, yes?

Submitted by : phexac

Full Tilt Poker Game #12949452052: Table Bardstown (6 max) - $1/$2 - No Limit Hold'em - 15:56:35 ET - 2009/06/21
Seat 1: FrivolousPanda ($200), is sitting out
Seat 2: Bobs90 ($286.95)
Seat 3: roukain007 ($212.10)
Seat 4: Hero ($297.05)
Seat 5: pokasuks ($287.80)
Seat 6: Slice Out Wide ($399.95)
roukain007 posts the small blind of $1
Hero posts the big blind of $2
The button is in seat #2

Holecards
Dealt to HeroQcQs
pokasuks calls $2
Slice Out Wide folds
FrivolousPanda stands up
Bobs90 folds
roukain007 has 15 seconds left to act
roukain007 folds
Hero raises to $15
pokasuks has 15 seconds left to act
ste30 adds $200
pokasuks calls $13

Flop (Pot : $31.00)

   2cTdJh
Hero bets $28
pokasuks calls $28

Turn (Pot : $87.00)

   2cTdJhQh
Hero bets $82
pokasuks has 15 seconds left to act
pokasuks calls $82

River (Pot : $251.00)

   2cTdJhQh9h
Hero bets $172.05, and is all in
pokasuks

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staxxx   Bulgaria. Jun 21 2009 16:41. Posts 652

seems perfect

No Limit 

ytricky   Germany. Jun 21 2009 16:48. Posts 600

seems extremly bad vs a a 50/10 its a 4 card straight man. You are probably gonna get snapped by, KT KJ KQ T8 J8 Q8 and AK. You may get crying calls from JT T9 J9 JQ Q9 and QT thats it and remember you got QQ so that eliminates alot of combinations, here, more then for his calling range.

Really this seems like a tilt bet, because you expected to win a big pot with your QQ and now hope you still do somehow.
EDIT:
Made a kind of optimistic range with him calling all twopairs and never raising them on flop or turn.
Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

396 games 0.005 secs 79,200 games/sec

Board: Qh Jh Th 9h 2c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 72.727% 72.73% 00.00% 288 0.00 { AKs, K9s+, Q8s+, J8s+, T8s+, 98s, AKo, K9o+, Q8o+, J8o+, T8o+, 98o }
Hand 1: 27.273% 27.27% 00.00% 108 0.00 { QQ }

 Last edit: 21/06/2009 17:03

collegesucks   United States. Jun 21 2009 17:10. Posts 5780


  On June 21 2009 15:48 ytricky wrote:
Board: Qh Jh Td 9h 2c


ytricky   Germany. Jun 21 2009 17:15. Posts 600


  On June 21 2009 16:10 collegesucks wrote:
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Sorry :=) i seem to be illiterate with pokerstove.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

360 games 0.005 secs 72,000 games/sec

Board: Qh Jh 9h 2c Td
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 70.000% 70.00% 00.00% 252 0.00 { AKs, K9s+, Q8s+, J8s+, T8s+, AKo, K9o+, Q8o+, J8o+, T8o+ }
Hand 1: 30.000% 30.00% 00.00% 108 0.00 { QQ }


staxxx   Bulgaria. Jun 21 2009 17:30. Posts 652

for this villain i expect something like:

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

218 games 0.005 secs 43,600 games/sec

Board: Qh Jh Td 9h 2c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 62.385% 62.39% 00.00% 136 0.00 { QcQs }
Hand 1: 37.615% 37.61% 00.00% 82 0.00 { AJs-ATs, K9s+, K2s, Q8s+, J2s+, T9s, T2s, 98s, AJo-ATo, K9o+, K2o, Q8o+, J2o+, T9o, T2o, 98o }

and expect him to call our shove with most of this range

No Limit 

palak   United States. Jun 21 2009 17:34. Posts 4601

Y exactly cant u c/f this river? If villain is passive station then he isnt going to shove worse. I also doubt he is really so bad that he calls with worse here. If he is so bad that he calls with worse then why make a thread about how to play against complete dumbfucks.

other note i love the preflop raise sizing

dont tap the glass...im about ready to take a fucking hammer to the aquarium 

staxxx   Bulgaria. Jun 21 2009 17:36. Posts 652

so its at best 50/50 win/lose when we shove, its close... If he is passive enough maybe you can check fold

No Limit 

jasper5408   United States. Jun 21 2009 17:46. Posts 820


  On June 21 2009 15:06 phexac wrote:
Villain is a 50/10 station fish. I just can't CF here, so shove, yes?



so check/check

if he's a passive fish then he'll only bet out with a straight no? he'll check everything else?

if your only reasoning is that you cannot stand to check/fold and therefore you decide to shove...

are u shoving for value? is he so much of a calling station he'll call you with 2 pairz? seems highly unlikely...


 



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