Lets Play a Hand 2: JJ at NL1

Submitted by : exalted

Full Tilt Poker Game #12934946526: Table Flats (6 max) - $0.50/$1 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:33:52 ET - 2009/06/20
Seat 1: StEeEINuTz ($107.30)
Seat 2: PokerNoir ($100)
Seat 3: MoneyCoasterLOL ($47.40)
Seat 4: HermState ($140.75)
Seat 5: exaltedsky ($217.75)
Seat 6: LILShiraz ($23.55)
PokerNoir posts the small blind of $0.50
MoneyCoasterLOL posts the big blind of $1
The button is in seat #1

Holecards
Dealt to exaltedsky
HermState raises to $3.50
exaltedsky calls $3.50
LILShiraz folds
StEeEINuTz folds
PokerNoir folds
PokerNoir adds $0.50
MoneyCoasterLOL folds

Flop (Pot : $8.50)

   
LILShiraz stands up
HermState bets $6
exaltedsky

barrel frequency? Prob flat and based off his tendencies to barrel turn/river call down since if we raise and get it in here vs range of AJhh+ and 33/22/88+ we are like 30% and that's prob the range he's 3betting/getting it in with on this flop.

If we have sometype of dynamic with him where we have been raising a lot of dryish flops like this as bluffs and getting him to 3bet light then obv i like a raise...without that dynamic i flat.

I think this hand is going to depend a lot on how he will play lesser portions of his range that you beat. Guys with those stats seem to play a pretty methodical game UTG and don't mix it up too much, which means that there is a lot that you're ahead of here. With that said it seems like it's going to depend on how he'll play decent hands that you beat here (pockets under jacks) - pretty much will he only call with something like TT-55 or so, or will he reraise these and possibly AK and push you off your hand? Will he double barrel low boards with AJ to try to push you off, and will he fire a big second barrel on a blank turn putting you on the draw while only holding 77?

Raising here might manufacture more action with lesser hands that you beat if he'll play passively with worse hands (and your hand is the perfect cutoff hand to gauge this with) enabling you to get a flop call + probably a river bet or c/c if the flush bricks off, and it might also get you pushed off the best hand if he'll shove lighter (which may also be a reason to raise). Also with 3 overcards to your hand as well as you not holding a heart, any heart turn could enable him to barrel a lot of his range even if he's normally more cautious, possibly pushing you off the best hand. It's going to depend a lot on his tendencies.

call call call

Without any additional info on this guy I guess just call down unless rly bad cards turn and river.

I raise everything from pair+gutshot to top set on this board, and some overcards too, so I raise.

how do you have a pair + gutshot on this board?

i just call

If you're raising this flop it's because you believe he's going to get all his money in with worse. If so then great, do that shit now.

but most of the time that won't be the case so i just call.

without special history i like the line you're taking pre and don't mind a continuation of the nit flat/flat/flat

unless specified i think that's a fairly standard line here.

BUT THEN AGAIN WE HAVE JECKS.

I'm prolly calling and letting a card come off...too often do I see 33 22 88 here...see what the turn brings

JECKS ftw!

no reason to raise and get blown off your hand by reshoved nut flush draws

On June 25 2009 02:34 vegable wrote: no reason to raise and get blown off your hand by reshoved nut flush draws

this is pretty much the argument against raising. you're probably like..close to flipping(but behind) vs a range of 99+,22,33,88, AJ+hh,A2hh-A5hh(assuming he's willing to go with all of these), while calling once(or twice) with jacks will give him a hard turn(or river)spot since he is out of position.

I'm pretty sure that raising causes 99-TT(AK,AQ,AJ) to fold, jj+, sets and Ajhh+, a2-a5hh will probably not fold(read: call at the minimum) if you're aggro so you're only getting it in more behind than if you'd peel .


in other words, i like your play a lot more with a hand like JQcc, because you're essentially turning a showdownable hand into a bluff which is bad(in this situation)

Villain is 18/16/3.2, 3bet of 10.9, ATsteal 21
3bet pre.

as played i call and raise a nice turn or sometimes i just call call call or call/bet

Call --> lead blank turn --> lead river.

we are in position so I guess you mean bet if he checks?