NL50 Big blind special......?

Submitted by : T8Suited

PokerStars Game #29553802427: Holdem No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2009/06/19 16:06:05 ET
Table Circinus VI 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: The_Crocop ($60.50 in chips)
Seat 2: BBQSquirrel ($165.70 in chips)
Seat 3: questor2011 ($32.65 in chips)
Seat 4: james022 ($10 in chips)
Seat 5: farfalla7 ($54.50 in chips)
Seat 6: C0SS3L0S ($51.15 in chips)
The_Crocop: posts small blind $0.25
BBQSquirrel: posts big blind $0.50

Holecards
Dealt to BBQSquirrel
questor2011: folds
james022: folds
farfalla7: folds
C0SS3L0S: folds
The_Crocop: calls $0.25
BBQSquirrel: checks

Flop (Pot : $1.00)

   
The_Crocop: bets $0.50
BBQSquirrel: raises $2 to $2.50
The_Crocop: raises $6 to $8.50
BBQSquirrel: folds
Uncalled bet ($6) returned to The_Crocop
The_Crocop collected $5.75 from pot

Summary
Total pot $6 | Rake $0.25
Board  
Seat 1: The_Crocop (small blind) collected ($5.75)
Seat 2: BBQSquirrel (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: questor2011 folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 4: james022 folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 5: farfalla7 folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 6: C0SS3L0S (button) folded before Flop (didnt bet)

hugh no, reraise plz, did you ever see him limping the sb ? At nl50 he probably picked this line beacuse he either have an A with a weak kicker ot tried to trap you and have AK/AQ/AJ but i dont see how u can give him credit for a better hand than yours at this moment. Id 4bet smallish to give him room for a shove and snap call obv, if its a bb special then what can u do but i really think u re throwing money by the window by folding in this hand.

Guess it sort of depends on his limp range, but I couldn't put this hand down :O

First, i wouldn't slowplay 63 preflop and let him see free flop oop, then i'd be happy to put him all in on such flop.
As played you should at least call, you beat Ax and draws. And if you give his stats it will be easier to define his range.

Dude has open-limped his SB a few times and not overly aggressive

call and shove turn imo

On June 20 2009 10:16 collegesucks wrote: call and shove turn imo

i like

On June 20 2009 09:42 staxxx wrote: First, i wouldn't slowplay 63 preflop and let him see free flop oop, then i'd be happy to put him all in on such flop. As played you should at least call, you beat Ax and draws. And if you give his stats it will be easier to define his range.

im not raising 63o after a sb limp ever

im c/fing all three streets unless a sick flop like this comes down

maybe take a shot at a dry flop or something, but that's it

On June 20 2009 10:49 SpeedyJack wrote: Show nested quote + On June 20 2009 09:42 staxxx wrote: First, i wouldn't slowplay 63 preflop and let him see free flop oop, then i'd be happy to put him all in on such flop. As played you should at least call, you beat Ax and draws. And if you give his stats it will be easier to define his range. im not raising 63o after a sb limp ever im c/fing all three streets unless a sick flop like this comes down maybe take a shot at a dry flop or something, but that's it

Raising a SB limp with any two is good. If you raise to 4BB you get 1.5:1 odd on your bluff if you have total garbage, plus you get the postflop initative. So really raising any two against a SB limp should be your standard, until you have really gotten on the nerve of the limper.

i would not fold this almost ever

I snap ship this in without thinking twice. Pretty much every hand that beats you is beyond unlikely, and he could very well have a big ace. His most likely hands that beat you here are probably bigger two pairs, but if you think about it realistically, him flopping A6 here is the same chance of him flopping a boat. There aren't many combos of stuff you lose to period since you have most of the board.

There is some merit to calling and shipping it in on the turn where we might have a 10% equity increase vs a hand like AK, but there are too many cards that are bad or semi-bad for both you and him. Aside from diamonds, he might even try to pot control AK if a Q falls on the turn, or it might give him two pair.

well i think it's good to just ship turn since your equity against his calling range is a lot better when you get it in on the turn

the argument is that it might be possible for him to fold his big ace on the flop if the action gets way too heavy, whereas if you call and he fires the turn, it's MUCH harder for him to fold then

On June 20 2009 09:53 T8Suited wrote: Dude has open-limped his SB a few times and not overly aggressive

I will raise almost always raise any two cards if someone open limps his SB to me. Open limping the SB is generally so weak that you can raise --> cbet profitably almost every single time.

On June 20 2009 19:33 collegesucks wrote: well i think it's good to just ship turn since your equity against his calling range is a lot better when you get it in on the turn the argument is that it might be possible for him to fold his big ace on the flop if the action gets way too heavy, whereas if you call and he fires the turn, it's MUCH harder for him to fold then

The other issue is that by calling, we give free cards to semi-bluffs. Protecting our hand is also really important, and we will take an equity hit vs his range when a J Q or K peels off.

hmm yeah i stoved it and it seems getting it in on the turn doesn't change much even tho villain probably has like 0 bluff/semibluff hands in his range

+1 to getting it in on flop

I always get stacked when i get it in with 2 pair flops, so Ive begun re-evaluating their strength, but I agree with Achoo. A lot of fish will surprisingly limp AK and shit in the SB i guess b/c "nobody ever sees dat comin!" Regardless I dont think you can instantly pitch 2 pair from a 3bet.

wow...don't think I'm folding there...Unless I've got some serious nitty stats on him