NL100 poorly played hand.

Submitted by : mikyor

PokerStars Game #29535474738: Holdem No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2009/06/19 3:31:47 ET
Table Chalonge II 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 2: Hero ($100 in chips)
Seat 3: Zloooodey ($61 in chips)
Seat 4: frosty012 ($101.50 in chips)
Seat 5: yogayoga2008 ($23.55 in chips)
Seat 6: H0LDEMJ0KER ($57 in chips)
Seat 7: poldok ($136.40 in chips)
Seat 8: alex-riga ($20.50 in chips)
Seat 9: peter815 ($83.55 in chips)
alex-riga: posts small blind $0.50
peter815: posts big blind $1
Zloooodey: posts big blind $1

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
Hero: raises $3 to $4
Zloooodey: calls $3
frosty012: folds
yogayoga2008: folds
H0LDEMJ0KER: folds
poldok: folds
alex-riga: folds
peter815: calls $3

Flop (Pot : $12.50)

   
peter815: checks
Hero: bets $9
Zloooodey: calls $9
peter815: folds

Turn (Pot : $30.50)

   
Hero: bets $18
Zloooodey: calls $18

River (Pot : $66.50)

   
Hero: bets $69 and is all-in
Zloooodey: folds
Uncalled bet ($69) returned to Hero
Hero collected $63.50 from pot
Hero: doesnt show hand

Summary
Total pot $66.50 | Rake $3
Board  
Seat 2: Hero collected ($63.50)
Seat 3: Zloooodey folded on the River
Seat 4: frosty012 folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 5: yogayoga2008 folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 6: H0LDEMJ0KER folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 7: poldok (button) folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 8: alex-riga (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: peter815 (big blind) folded on the Flop

player sits with 61 dollars and posts utg + 1... i think this is played fine?

turn is an easy easy bet fold imo and i like your betsizing too. it sets up a perfect shove on a blank river.

I was thinking the turn bet size was kind of weak looking. I have not played in like 2 months, so i am trying to shake off the rust.

doubt it matters very much vs. this particular villain

On June 19 2009 04:07 collegesucks wrote: player sits with 61 dollars and posts utg + 1... i think this is played fine? turn is an easy easy bet fold imo and i like your betsizing too. it sets up a perfect shove on a blank river.

All of this. Well played imo.

Is my river shove good because I can also be taking this line as a bluff in other hands?

you should never be bluffing in this situation. You are against a clear fish (posts blind out of position and buys in for random amount). Its good because hes a fish and will call you with worse.

I actually prefer to CC the river because, for station fish, a huge chunk of his range is going to be 8x and flush and straight draws. All draws will fold, and so will 8x a good chunk of the time, whereas when you check, they almost always reflexively bet. I just think you win more by check-calling the river rather than firing the 3rd barrels since his range is generally too weak to call you. Also bet a bit more on turn so that your remaining stack is a bit smaller compared to pot on river.

On June 21 2009 02:25 phexac wrote: I actually prefer to CC the river because, for station fish, a huge chunk of his range is going to be 8x and flush and straight draws. All draws will fold, and so will 8x a good chunk of the time, whereas when you check, they almost always reflexively bet. I just think you win more by check-calling the river rather than firing the 3rd barrels since his range is generally too weak to call you. Also bet a bit more on turn so that your remaining stack is a bit smaller compared to pot on river.

+1

also i think your turn bet size is "less bad" if you plan to c-c blank rivers rather than shove, but should probably make it bigger either way.

On June 21 2009 02:25 phexac wrote: I actually prefer to CC the river because, for station fish, a huge chunk of his range is going to be 8x and flush and straight draws. All draws will fold, and so will 8x a good chunk of the time, whereas when you check, they almost always reflexively bet. I just think you win more by check-calling the river rather than firing the 3rd barrels since his range is generally too weak to call you. Also bet a bit more on turn so that your remaining stack is a bit smaller compared to pot on river.

I disagree. If he is calling station, and he seems to be one, he often calls with any 8 and never tries a bluff (and shoves trips or whatever he considers as a strong hand, but definitely not a naked 8).

wp

thing is after i reviewed this hand. I was thinking what calls my river shove that i get value from here, which is a 8. doesn't he raise somewhere with a 8? that is why i am thinking my river shove is iffy.

why would he raise with 8x?

I dunno maybe to overplay the value of it. At the time that was my reasoning

I couldn't think of a hand he could have except draws that would just call me down, so after i shoved river i was expecting to be called by a better hand most of the time.

hate your turn bet sizing.

10 dollars more and the pot is 86.5 on the river, leaving you with a 59 bet (which will be called far more often than a 69 into a 66 pot)

i would prefer the smaller bet on river in that case, to make 8x cry call, and induce spazzes from missed flushdraws/straightdraws.

villain only has 61 to start

On June 19 2009 16:16 mikyor wrote: Is my river shove good because I can also be taking this line as a bluff in other hands?

Don't think in terms of range balancing etc when you are up against a fish.

On June 21 2009 08:42 SpasticInk wrote: i would prefer the smaller bet on river in that case, to make 8x cry call, and induce spazzes from missed flushdraws/straightdraws.

exxxxaccccctly

Played fine.