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palak   United States. Jun 18 2009 05:02. Posts 4601

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Full Tilt Poker Game #12869113199: Table Lynnwood (6 max) - $1/$2 - No Limit Hold'em - 15:08:38 ET - 2009/06/17
Seat 1: 10-FuLL ($37)
Seat 2: Bananmats ($281.30)
Seat 3: xJames_30 ($235.05)
Seat 4: adicar ($200)
Seat 5: Hero ($222.05)
Seat 6: Spike4321 ($217.45)
adicar posts the small blind of $1
Hero posts the big blind of $2
The button is in seat #3

Holecards
Dealt to HeroAh2h
Spike4321 raises to $6
10-FuLL folds
Bananmats folds
xJames_30 folds
adicar calls $5
Hero calls $4

Flop (Pot : $18.00)

   2s2c6h
adicar bets $12
Hero calls $12
Spike4321 raises to $55
adicar has 15 seconds left to act
adicar folds



Spike is a reg who plays semi-tight. I have not really seen him bluff so figuring his raise here is probably 66+ since almost no 6x or 2x combos are in his preflop range. He is almost certainly not bluffing here but I'm not sure if he has a fold button or not.
adicar is retarted, I flatted initially vs him because he is the type that bluffs but fold to any aggression back so calling down and raising later is imo the best play.

Problem is I think shoving over the reraise shows an absolute ton of strength and spike may be good enough to be able to fold a high PP but flatting the raise is also strong.

Whats the best course of action in this spot, call and c/rai on a future street, call and lead turn, or just shove now and assume spike doesn't know when/how to fold?

Also what would you do if you had say 77 or 88 in this spot?

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Oly   United Kingdom. Jun 18 2009 05:13. Posts 3585

Definitely flat. We want to keep the retard in, and there is a strong probability that spike has a big pair which he could well get away from if we jam. Also, when we check the turn we will have relative position and spike will likely bet his overpair for value and the fish will call and commit himself before we bring the hammer down. Profit.

edit: didn't notice the fish folded. I still c/r turn though for the same reasons, and that our hand looks like 88.

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Oly   United Kingdom. Jun 18 2009 05:14. Posts 3585

I'm folding 77 and 88 here. Probably even tens. I don't see spike being on a bluff much with a fish in the pot.

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Fraser   Canada. Jun 18 2009 05:43. Posts 4605

i like a flat with a small turn lead of like 36 to induce.


jasper5408   United States. Jun 18 2009 07:16. Posts 820

once u call the pot is 100+, u have 150 left
60-70 on turn 80-90 on river (pot is now 240)

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EvilSky    Czech Republic. Jun 18 2009 07:56. Posts 8918

This is a spot where he either has nothing in which case no more money is going in no matter how you play it, but id rather flat maybe if he spikes a pair on the turn or river he can put more money in, or he has trips or better and the money goes in any way you play it, I just flat like I said, if there was a draw out there Id just jam like fuck it flush draw im all in.


TimDawg    United States. Jun 18 2009 08:26. Posts 10197


  On June 18 2009 04:43 Fraser wrote:
i like a flat with a small turn lead of like 36 to induce.

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Kilay   Netherlands. Jun 18 2009 09:04. Posts 1960

I am not playing these limits so please keep that in mind (and maybe someone can enlighten me) but isn't it way better to either bet a little bigger on turn + river (kind of what Jasper mentioned but maybe more like 55 on turn or whatever and shove river) or check through on turn and go for c/r there once he committed himself by betting himself on turn ??

Like, I don't really understand where a bet of like 36 will get you instead of a little bigger since there seem to be so little in his range to me that needs to be induced. The flat you'll make already looks pretty strong. Than he either has a solid hand he will either bet turn and/or river with because it's too nitty to check through twice. And in case he is bluffing, which I really doubt, I also doubt he is going to spazz on a 36 or whatever bet and is more likely to do something retarded if you check because it makes your hand look WAY more as an 77-99 that wasn't sure what to do on flop and just peeled for the sake of it and wants to get it checked through.


DustySwedeDude   Sweden. Jun 18 2009 09:13. Posts 8623

I'd raise it back unless he's superhappy with barrels. Don't wan't a 6 to hit if he has a 2 and I wan't to be able to rep something like 34 or 45.


EvilSky    Czech Republic. Jun 18 2009 09:20. Posts 8918


  On June 18 2009 08:13 DustySwedeDude wrote:
I'd raise it back unless he's superhappy with barrels. Don't wan't a 6 to hit if he has a 2 and I wan't to be able to rep something like 34 or 45.


u raise it back with 34 and 45 ???????? ??????????


Twisted    Netherlands. Jun 18 2009 09:59. Posts 10422

Probably tank a bit, then call. Rest of the hand plays itself probably. Also; fold preflop.


Twisted    Netherlands. Jun 18 2009 10:00. Posts 10422

Calling preflop is actually a pretty big leak.


 



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