Stupid 3barrel

So I've been fucking up a fair bit lately, mostly due to running bad I think and thus not having that extra faith in my game that I need to play really good. I think River is quite possible the least intressting street and pf I feel is ok due to me not having 3bet at all during the match. It flops decent and I don't get into that many trouble spots vs an opponent I have no reason to believe will be really annoying post flop. We're pretty even so far and he might've been running me over a bit but I've yet to do one of my patented "OMFG I'm such an idiot station/Dusty" calls. I'm not sure how much he knows my game, but I'm either fairly unknown except that I'm a reg who's running with semi-laggy stats and considering how I've played this month chances are that he's seen me doing some retarded shit, but I don't remember doing it to him and I would probably have a note if I had done it.

Submitted by : DustySwedeDude

** Hand # 2605838851 starting - 2009-05-16 00:16:46
** Bit By Bit 2 [Hold 'em] (5.00|10.00 NL - Cash Game) Real Money
Hero sitting in seat 1 with €1231.00
GoForBroke__ sitting in seat 6 with €1780.25[Dealer]
GoForBroke__ posted the small blind - €5.00
Hero posted the big blind - €10.00

Holecards
   
GoForBroke__ raised to €30.00
Hero raised to €100.00
GoForBroke__ called - €100.00

Flop (Pot : $200.00)

   
Hero bet - €110.00
GoForBroke__ called - €110.00

Turn (Pot : $420.00)

   
Hero bet - €250.00
GoForBroke__ called - €250.00

River (Pot : $920.00)

   
Hero went all-in - €771.00
Villian is some kind of reg. Havn't thought that hh but on the other hand I havn't played him much . Table broke and we've been HU for maybe 50 hands or so. This is my first 3bet due to being card dead and playing a shitton of tables . No big bluffs pulled off or anything so far, I've made one big fold to him and he has made a riverfold to me in a big pot on KJxKxr.
I think all streets are debatable, but if I bet flop I feel that this is the only acceptable line unless I pick up some kind of timing tell or something gay of that nature. Objections?

well flop is a pretty mandatory bet as you have fold equity, you're getting raised very rarely.... you might have the best hand and if not you still have 5 outs, then it becomes quite player dependant, you have to be aware that you're repping a very very very thin range on the river making it easier for him to hero call

and well on a board like this he has to play his whole range like this, would it be KQ, a set or 2 pairs, TT-JJ....

anyways I think it has a lot to do with the dynamics, I don't mind the shove that much since It's your first 3 bet in a long time, and well as long as you adjust if he calls you can do all kind of stupid shit HU

I don't think my range is supernarrow actually. In his mind it should be all AQ, 99,QQ, AA,any Ax decided to dubble barrel (A2s-A5s at least, probably AK) and 33-44 if I reraise those. My "real" range include like KQ+ or so too and a decent bit of "ohh fuck it"-plays that I'll write of as merges so calling with anything worse then QJ would probably get valueowned a lot, but he doesn't know that I guess. It's also only two "real" draws that missed in 56s, JTs and KJo and 25s got there. Unless I turn decent made hands into bluffs or that he includes total random crap in my range I don't see how he's ahead if I 3barrel like half my total air. That's nine gives me a lot of pairs that I might check a lot in his mind.

Hate it :/ I dont mind turn as much but I think anything that calls turn calls river.

On May 16 2009 10:22 SakiSaki wrote: Hate it :/ I dont mind turn as much but I think anything that calls turn calls river.

haha i thought the exact opposite

edit:except the hate it part

I think if you decide to bet the turn you have to follow thru on this river, people love to hero call on perceived scare cards but it does improve your range if u were betting gutshots with the A or just Ax overs, also you would still vbet KQ so it doesnt polarize your range. So I think either give up on turn or go with it.

main problem i have is w/ the timing. If villain is running u over a little and u have a semi-laggy image he's going to be anticipating some sort of move. You're basically just asking urself if villain is gonna fold QJ and QT here and with described gameflow im gonna say no. Otherwise its a pretty standard preflop stab, cbet, turn semi-bluff, and riv bet w/ a great bluff card.

On May 16 2009 10:22 SakiSaki wrote: Hate it :/ I dont mind turn as much but I think anything that calls turn calls river.

Wouldn't it be kinda terrible to have the same calling range vs my turnbet as my rivershove considering how my bluffrange should consist of a shitton of Ax-hands since those have more equity then like 87s? Can't assume he won't have it even if it's horrible, but still.

On May 16 2009 11:09 NMcNasty wrote: main problem i have is w/ the timing. If villain is running u over a little and u have a semi-laggy image he's going to be anticipating some sort of move. You're basically just asking urself if villain is gonna fold QJ and QT here and with described gameflow im gonna say no. Otherwise its a pretty standard preflop stab, cbet, turn semi-bluff, and riv bet w/ a great bluff card.

True, but won't that increase the number of lightish floats and such too?

On May 16 2009 11:09 NMcNasty wrote: main problem i have is w/ the timing. If villain is running u over a little and u have a semi-laggy image he's going to be anticipating some sort of move. You're basically just asking urself if villain is gonna fold QJ and QT here and with described gameflow im gonna say no. Otherwise its a pretty standard preflop stab, cbet, turn semi-bluff, and riv bet w/ a great bluff card.

"True, but won't that increase the number of lightish floats and such too?"

I think his calling range on the flop is pretty much the same regardless of ur image, he's just calling w/ any pair or gutshot, but when ur 3betting frequency is low there's a lower chance he has offsuit 3s, 4s, and gutshots so ur generally up against a stronger range. Its a kinda spot where it looks like uve been waiting for a hand for a while and finally 3bet, but probably wont want to give up post. So i think preflop and a flop bet are both fine, but continuing on turn is a little bad.

People call these spots in hu waaaaay too fucking light

... to the point that it's very possible that you just value bet two streets here then got sucked out on.

are you vbetting KQ?

Yes, but there's no way he knows that.

i think your value range here should be A2, A5, QJ+, QJ is semi borderline, KQ is auto.

i dont really think its a great spot to be 3 barreling vs most villains. obv there are some out there who will fold enough but seems like a bad idea. i think turn 2 barrel should be with a fairly wide range of hands (mostly semibluffs and hands like you have) and just give up river unless you improve with most of those hands

but doessn't it look like I improve a lot. :'((


Ryan Daut you're a great person and I'm drunk. I do love you a bit.

i love it if u plan to play him hu a ton. if he calls do this again one more time and then stop doing it. if he folds then keep doing it until u get caught. -_^

either way hes gonna think ur totally retarded, both because of ur hand and the way u played it. which is a GREAT thing.

So, you know im a lowstakes-grinder, but im telling you this is NOT really bad. Its still possible.... possible!... its not "great", but its probably good. When I do these kinds of thing I feel im playing too low, because they are too cool for my leveles.

Did notice you have a pretty sucky stack/pot ratio at river considering the overall dry bord, but also, you will definatly vpush Ax here so w,e..