bluffazor by fayth

Submitted by : Fayth

***** Hand History for Game 8043403103 *****
$2,000 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, May 05, 22:18:37 EDT 2009
Table Deep Stack #1416159 No DP Real Money
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 5: KoTBconoraX $2,071 USD
Seat 3: Hero $3,714.25 USD
Seat 1: PhilippM0 $2,000 USD
Seat 6: hoolen2 $1,570.77 USD
Seat 2: l4epTonoLox $2,578 USD
Seat 4: southerly1 $1,909.50 USD
southerly1 posts small blind [$10 USD].
KoTBconoraX posts big blind [$20 USD].

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
hoolen2 folds
PhilippM0 folds
l4epTonoLox folds
Hero raises [$60 USD]
southerly1 folds
KoTBconoraX calls [$40 USD]

Flop (Pot : $130.00)

   
KoTBconoraX checks
Hero bets [$95.25 USD]
KoTBconoraX raises [$265 USD]
Hero calls [$169.75 USD]

Turn (Pot : $660.00)

   
KoTBconoraX checks
Hero bets [$425 USD]
KoTBconoraX calls [$425 USD]

River (Pot : $1,510.00)

   
KoTBconoraX checks
Hero bets [$1,321 USD]
KoTBconoraX will be using his time bank for this hand .

meh not really... his line is pretty consistent with one that has sd value on the turn, I think he has AJ or a KQ type hand a lot with his flop/turn line because I dont think he is ever c/r a worse J than KJ on the flop like QJ/JT which would fold to this riv jam

std i use this line all day......

YEAH WTF FAYTH
Flounder use this line all day so its good
Close thread

On May 06 2009 01:25 HeRoS)eNGagE wrote: YEAH WTF FAYTH Flounder use this line all day so its good Close thread

OMG ROFL HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

i don't like this bluff much because once you call the flop c/r it looks like you have some straight draws, a small % floats, solid pairs, and a rare monster. then, once you bet the turn, it looks like you have nothing but monsters, straight draws, and floats, and i think the bluffs outnumber the big hands a little too much on this board, so he can't really check/fold the river. you'd have to be known to take this line for value as thin as J9 for this to be good imo, and even then, if that's how you play, then you will probably often end up value-towning yourself against people who just play tight and then let you mistakenly value bet too thin when they have good hands

well i mean i guess it's up to him to decide what range I do this with, fact is the only line anyone should take on a flop like this with any kind of hand is call the raise, wether i'd have 2 pairs, or a set, or a draw, or a float

its fine as long as you adjust your ranges after he calls or folds

iiiiiiii like it. assuming you think he has third pair by now, in which case 90% of the people will toss it and 10% is good enough to follow myths theory

this is a pretty good plo bluff fwiw

On May 06 2009 08:30 n0rthf4ce wrote: this is a pretty good plo bluff fwiw

but we only has two cards?!?

On May 06 2009 02:59 Fayth wrote: well i mean i guess it's up to him to decide what range I do this with, fact is the only line anyone should take on a flop like this with any kind of hand is call the raise, wether i'd have 2 pairs, or a set, or a draw, or a float

i think u gotta be reraising flop a lot, when u just call ur basically depending on opponent to be giving up and mostly c/fing all the air he could have, or u think hes so full of shit that u can call and minraise turn. Honestly I think calling just to hit a 5 is bad when he has air so often, you just dont quite have odds. He can only comfortably play 33 and 44 for stacks on this flop, the rest of his range will have a lot of trouble dealing with a flop reraise, and if u just do that to him enough ur gonna reach a 3bet bluff /4bet bluff dynamic where u have to throw in some value 3bets.

tho if u were just calling as a float I think ur lines fine

On May 06 2009 11:26 NMcNasty wrote: Show nested quote + On May 06 2009 02:59 Fayth wrote: well i mean i guess it's up to him to decide what range I do this with, fact is the only line anyone should take on a flop like this with any kind of hand is call the raise, wether i'd have 2 pairs, or a set, or a draw, or a float i think u gotta be reraising flop a lot, when u just call ur basically depending on opponent to be giving up and mostly c/fing all the air he could have, or u think hes so full of shit that u can call and minraise turn. Honestly I think calling just to hit a 5 is bad when he has air so often, you just dont quite have odds. He can only comfortably play 33 and 44 for stacks on this flop, the rest of his range will have a lot of trouble dealing with a flop reraise, and if u just do that to him enough ur gonna reach a 3bet bluff /4bet bluff dynamic where u have to throw in some value 3bets. tho if u were just calling as a float I think ur lines fine

the range i rep when reraising this flop is very very thin, and I wouldn't reraise this flop with a set in position.... so errr... makes it pretty bad?

On May 06 2009 01:45 [vital]Myth wrote: Show nested quote + On May 06 2009 01:25 HeRoS)eNGagE wrote: YEAH WTF FAYTH Flounder use this line all day so its good Close thread OMG ROFL HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA i don't like this bluff much because once you call the flop c/r it looks like you have some straight draws, a small % floats, solid pairs, and a rare monster. then, once you bet the turn, it looks like you have nothing but monsters, straight draws, and floats, and i think the bluffs outnumber the big hands a little too much on this board, so he can't really check/fold the river. you'd have to be known to take this line for value as thin as J9 for this to be good imo, and even then, if that's how you play, then you will probably often end up value-towning yourself against people who just play tight and then let you mistakenly value bet too thin when they have good hands

I don't play nearly this high, so forgive me for intruding on the thread, but shouldn't Fayth take this same line for value with AJ, KJ, 43s, AA, KK, 44, 33, JJ, and the occasional flop float with AK (often good on flop, villain will barrel Aces and Kings if bluffing) simply because the flop is so dry and all his made hands want villain to keep bluffing (given that villain doesn't rep much on the flop). It seems to me that he can rep pretty much every hand that wants value on this river board because villain has such a narrow range on the flop. Anybody like my thinking, not like it?

And by extension villain should fold all one pair hands and maybe 43? ... and maybe KJ

On May 05 2009 23:27 Jamie217 wrote: meh not really... his line is pretty consistent with one that has sd value on the turn, I think he has AJ or a KQ type hand a lot with his flop/turn line because I dont think he is ever c/r a worse J than KJ on the flop like QJ/JT which would fold to this riv jam

This is what I was thinking.

i dont think he's folding the river after he calls the turn

i woudl give up the river

but flop/turn seems okay if you have a solid read on the player

I like it, looks a lot like AJ/KJ or something. Also; not that many combos of straight draws.

On May 06 2009 18:15 kaboom wrote: i dont think he's folding the river after he calls the turn i woudl give up the river but flop/turn seems okay if you have a solid read on the player

yeah

i think it might be good if you have like 3500 left to shove on the river with, in which case he may fold pretty much his entire range

On May 06 2009 11:58 Fayth wrote: Show nested quote + On May 06 2009 11:26 NMcNasty wrote:   On May 06 2009 02:59 Fayth wrote: well i mean i guess it's up to him to decide what range I do this with, fact is the only line anyone should take on a flop like this with any kind of hand is call the raise, wether i'd have 2 pairs, or a set, or a draw, or a float i think u gotta be reraising flop a lot, when u just call ur basically depending on opponent to be giving up and mostly c/fing all the air he could have, or u think hes so full of shit that u can call and minraise turn. Honestly I think calling just to hit a 5 is bad when he has air so often, you just dont quite have odds. He can only comfortably play 33 and 44 for stacks on this flop, the rest of his range will have a lot of trouble dealing with a flop reraise, and if u just do that to him enough ur gonna reach a 3bet bluff /4bet bluff dynamic where u have to throw in some value 3bets. tho if u were just calling as a float I think ur lines fine the range i rep when reraising this flop is very very thin, and I wouldn't reraise this flop with a set in position.... so errr... makes it pretty bad?

its only bad if he 4bets a lot, and u can still rep a good number of hands here: JJ-AA and the 2 pair combos while all he has 33 and 44.
and how do u handle bluffy flop raises with A6o, or 89o, or other air if u dont 3bet?

Villain hitting time is a bad sign, I'd think he has something borderline like JQcc, KT, Axcc a lot. I like the bluff, there are few other hands we can turn into a bluff this way so its perfect.

fuck it, just do it, i like it esp with minimal history

no need for analysis on these kinds of bluffs as peachy said its about adjusting later