QQ 10/20 4 way Shitty spot

Submitted by : Fayth

***** Hand History for Game 7860367127 *****
$2,000 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, March 06, 14:07:59 EST 2009
Table Deep Stack #1416197 No DP Real Money
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: Cartman11111 $1,024.10 USD
Seat 6: InsatiaBull $6,110.50 USD
Seat 2: Lavalanche $4,125.50 USD
Seat 4: WhatSha $2,000 USD
Seat 3: Hero $3,646 USD
Seat 5: lnDaPooper $2,512.25 USD
Lavalanche posts small blind [$10 USD].
Hero posts big blind [$20 USD].

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
WhatSha raises [$60 USD]
lnDaPooper folds
InsatiaBull calls [$60 USD]
Cartman11111 calls [$60 USD]
Lavalanche folds
Hero raises [$245 USD]
WhatSha calls [$205 USD]
InsatiaBull calls [$205 USD]
Cartman11111 calls [$205 USD]

Flop (Pot : $1,050.00)

   
Hero bets [$500 USD]
WhatSha calls [$500 USD]
InsatiaBull folds
Cartman11111 folds

Turn (Pot : $2,050.00)

   
Hero ?

My line would be check-fold, and if checkcheck then betfold river. He is UTG and you bet into 4 ppl. I think with AT JJ he'll never value bet the turn.

If villain was cartman or insatia i think we're bet calling the turn because their flatting ranges are wider (T9, etc...)

Its really not necessary for my to put my nose into these big buck games but ain't got nothing else to do now as Ongame network crashed again... Anyways i would bet my smaller testicle that he's having a set here. Hes calling only pairs pf practicly as he doesnt mind the other two callers to call too. On flop he only calls if he connects and to get more action from insatia and cart, and to get more action from fayth on turn.

78 got there too, but I don't know. Folding overpairs ain't my thing really.

c/f Only real hand you beat here is JJ. 77-99 aren't peeling the flop. And he only has pockets pairs and suited connectors here. The only suited connector that peeled made a straight.

On March 06 2009 16:39 Rande wrote: Its really not necessary for my to put my nose into these big buck games but ain't got nothing else to do now as Ongame network crashed again... Anyways i would bet my smaller testicle that he's having a set here. Hes calling only pairs pf practicly as he doesnt mind the other two callers to call too. On flop he only calls if he connects and to get more action from insatia and cart, and to get more action from fayth on turn.

lol then don't

as for the hand.. I dunno with this much money in the pot and given that this guy has only 100bb I can't really fold here.. I would actually check though and snap if he shoves.. if he checks behind I shove river myself.

Kinda depends if he's dumb enough to call with low-mid pocketpairs/suited connectors or if he's trixy and flats KK/AA preflop but I doubt it with the amount of people still in the pot.

so he has 1250 left and the pot is 2k

i dont think i could checkfold with the odds u would be getting, there's always JJ and the possibility he'll just be getting silly with 88-99 or Txs.

and i think shoving is better than c/cing, it just ensures value vs worse hands, and there's plenty of draws he could put u on if he thinks ur capable of squeezing pre.

C/C is bad, what is he going to shove here that we beat -.-, if he has a single pair he is always checking behind

On March 06 2009 20:30 NMcNasty wrote: so he has 1250 left and the pot is 2k i dont think i could checkfold with the odds u would be getting, there's always JJ and the possibility he'll just be getting silly with 88-99 or Txs. and i think shoving is better than c/cing, it just ensures value vs worse hands, and there's plenty of draws he could put u on if he thinks ur capable of squeezing pre.

i think 88/99 are unlikely since there are 2 people left to act after he bets 500

also i think jj is unlikely since the 3b pf is over 3 callers or something - pretty sure 90% of people will jam jj there without thinking about it for 1 buyin

i think his most likely hand is 10x or 1010, a range in which we are obviously ahead of based on your smallish 3bet OOP. question is does he call w/ 10x as you are never bluffing if u shove the turn? if yes then shove if no then check and risk a card coming off i guess but i dont see myself folding.

On March 06 2009 19:13 LazyFisH wrote: c/f Only real hand you beat here is JJ. 77-99 aren't peeling the flop. And he only has pockets pairs and suited connectors here. The only suited connector that peeled made a straight.

how you can include 78 in his pf/flop range while simultaneously excluding something like 10-9 is beyond me...

also i think 78 shoves the flop a good enough portion of the time that we dont really have to worry about it too much

oh damn, mythtrolled

everyone knows that once u call everyones gunna join the party though

On March 07 2009 07:39 Rekrul wrote: everyone knows that once u call everyones gunna join the party though

On March 07 2009 06:39 n0rthf4ce wrote: Show nested quote + On March 06 2009 19:13 LazyFisH wrote: c/f Only real hand you beat here is JJ. 77-99 aren't peeling the flop. And he only has pockets pairs and suited connectors here. The only suited connector that peeled made a straight. how you can include 78 in his pf/flop range while simultaneously excluding something like 10-9 is beyond me...

I'm not excluding T9 from his preflop range but I just don't think he peels with T9 here on the flop when you look so strong betting into 3 ppl. Basically the same logic as pooruser saying "i think 88/99 are unlikely since there are 2 people left to act after he bets 500". Maybe I'm wrong here though and most people will peel with JT/T9. I agree that 78 might just jam here but it's also possible it will peel since the price is good, either way I don't think 78 will fold. As for the smaller pps thing: what rekrul said.

the range all Txs, JJ, and 77-99 is a lot wider than the range that beats us which is just sets. So even if our opponent is mostly playing his hand correctly (by not peeling flop or never betting turn w/ worse), he only has to be playing it a little badly sometimes for us to be committed to the pot.

On March 07 2009 16:04 NMcNasty wrote: the range all Txs, JJ, and 77-99 is a lot wider than the range that beats us which is just sets. So even if our opponent is mostly playing his hand correctly (by not peeling flop or never betting turn w/ worse), he only has to be playing it a little badly sometimes for us to be committed to the pot.

thats what i was trying to say --;