Top pair 3-bet pot deep

Villian is a 5/10 reg, he is pretty tight but quite good in my experience. Plays around 19/17 something and we have been tangling alot this session mostly preflop and on the flop in 3-bet pots. I dont know a ton about his postflop game in 3-bet pots. I think he views me as pretty splashy and a bit crazy but not retarded.

Preflop I think he would 4-bet AA/KK almost always in this spot, so when he smoothcalls I put him on something like 1010/JJ/AQs/AK although his range might be a bit wider than that.

Like my line and what to do on the river?


Submitted by : SakiSaki

***** Hand History for Game 1455931301 *****
$1000.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, February 24, 09:54:43 ET 2009
Table Pesaro 50 bb min Real Money
Seat 6 is the button
Seat 1: KillBauer $1019.00 USD
Seat 3: ZiggomaticV17 $1257.00 USD
Seat 5: Hero $4495.75 USD
Seat 6: StolenMoments $995.00 USD
Seat 8: CaPtainAndCoKe $2115.30 USD
Seat 10: sun555 $723.20 USD
CaPtainAndCoKe posts small blind [$5.00 USD].
sun555 posts big blind [$10.00 USD].

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
KillBauer folds
ZiggomaticV17 raises [$30.00 USD]
Hero raises [$100.00 USD]
StolenMoments folds
CaPtainAndCoKe calls [$95.00 USD]
sun555 folds
ZiggomaticV17 folds

Flop (Pot : $240.00)

   
CaPtainAndCoKe checks
Hero bets [$170.00 USD]
CaPtainAndCoKe calls [$170.00 USD]

Turn (Pot : $580.00)

   
CaPtainAndCoKe checks
Hero checks

River (Pot : $580.00)

   
CaPtainAndCoKe checks
Hero bets [$430.00 USD]
CaPtainAndCoKe raises [$1320.00 USD]

This isn't results oriented, but check river or bet turn. Your hand looks exactly like what it is when you check back turn. He might not be aware of this but if you're remotely loose at all, bet turn and rep either a bd club draw or that you're just firing to fire.

You really think he turns TT,JJ into a bluff here by c/r? Isn't it more likely he's going to lead his bluffs? Also aren't TT,JJ the only hands in his range you beat. I really don't think people cold call 3bets with hands like AK or AQs, it's much more likely to be a big pair. Even if you add in those 2, it'd be a really unusual play to float with AK on this flop and AQ beats you.

So against his range of TT+, discounting TT,JJ since he might lead the river of c/c with them I think it's a fold.

I like a turn bet, because it makes life easy (quick fold to a raise, check behind on river, no worries about giving him free cards). If you happen to show down your hand it also 'depolarizes' your 2nd barrel range in rr pots and that may help you bluff him on the turn more often in the future.

The thing that's tricky about this hand is that when you check behind on the turn there's not much reason for him to believe you're going to bet the river. Especially since it's bad card for you to bluff. So it's an odd spot for him to check raise for value. But you know, people think in different ways. I don't think he's bluffing here very often if at all. What, he put you on QJ,QK and he's turning his JJ into a bluff on the river out of the blue? Come on now.

if ZiggomaticV17 squuzes alot ( i dont know how he plays ) ,but if he do
and CaPtainAndCoKe know he squuzes alot are u going to remove AA/KK of his smoothcall range ?

betting turn in position is good yeah, as played I fold river most likely

tough hand cuz its hard to match his play on this board with something that flats a 3bet oop. U might think its unlikely hes going for the bluff w/ TT or JJ, but the alternative is that he's slowplaying 4 streets with KK or AA, or he did in fact hit the case 99 or QQ.

When his preflop range is so tight i think going for 2 streets of value (or protection) is a bit ambitious. Im still folding river but if ur initial read of villain is correct i think betting in the first place was a small mistake.

he could be playing JT like this, and J9, and T9

he can def have a 9 and so can u, unless he thinks u check behind flop w/ a 9 a majority of the time. its a pretty situational spot so i think ur line is fine, i think betting turn is also fine and i think u should fold for now but take a mental note.

On February 25 2009 13:32 Fayth wrote: he could be playing JT like this, and J9, and T9

KillBauer folds
ZiggomaticV17 raises [$30.00 USD]
Hero raises [$100.00 USD]
StolenMoments folds
CaPtainAndCoKe calls [$95.00 USD]
sun555 folds
ZiggomaticV17 folds

Have you been active with 3 bets?

yeah i don't really understand how he (or anyone) could show up w/ 9x here. flop bet seems fine and i think it's prob better than checking behind and betting on a later street, as he will give action w/ worse and sometimes monkey around allowing you to get extra value. i don't really like the river bet.

On February 25 2009 13:32 Fayth wrote: he could be playing JT like this, and J9, and T9

preflop?

Ok thanks for input everyone. Just to clarify I have been really active with 3-bets but I dont think this guy will overcall with a significantly wider range because of that cause he strikes me more like a good grinder and less like someone being overly tricky trying to push every edge or overplaying people just for the shit of it.

I dont know if I agree on betting the turn which some ppl suggests, I think that gets me 0 value against hands i beat since JJ/TT folds always I think and I doubt he has a wide enough range to justify a bet straight up for value. I can see the merits of how it makes my range strong enough to make an ez decision but I dont think that is a good enough of an argument to make it good.

Once he checked the river I was superconfident I had the best hand because I really doubt he plays a made monster this way even though it is very plausible that a good player will. I just didnt give him credit to be a good enough hand reader. So I bet, the main reasoning being that checking back would make me feel like a dirty whore missing value. Once he raises I feel so confused cause I have by the river eliminated every single hand that beats me from his range, I curse like a madman over that ipoker doesnt have a timbank and I have to decide in 20 sec so I end up folding cause I dont want to make a quick decision calling in such a big pot. He shows TT for a made hand turned into a bluff and I feel like a retard.

I do think that if I had time to think about this I would call because nothing adds up with my read on this player. At the same time I really didnt give him credit to be good enough to turn a made hand into a bluff on this river, which makes my reads about him bad in the first place. If he is a solid enough hand reader to turn TT into a bluff on the river he should be good enough to play AA/QQ this way aswell so idk.

I think all said and done my river bet is the worst mistake in this hand, there is just very little value in betting the river as he is probably good enough always fold JJ and he might have slowplayed/turned a made hand into a bluff.

I got owned, GG

On February 25 2009 19:59 SakiSaki wrote: Ok thanks for input everyone. Just to clarify I have been really active with 3-bets but I dont think this guy will overcall with a significantly wider range because of that cause he strikes me more like a good grinder and less like someone being overly tricky trying to push every edge or overplaying people just for the shit of it. I dont know if I agree on betting the turn which some ppl suggests, I think that gets me 0 value against hands i beat since JJ/TT folds always I think and I doubt he has a wide enough range to justify a bet straight up for value. I can see the merits of how it makes my range strong enough to make an ez decision but I dont think that is a good enough of an argument to make it good. Once he checked the river I was superconfident I had the best hand because I really doubt he plays a made monster this way even though it is very plausible that a good player will. I just didnt give him credit to be a good enough hand reader. So I bet, the main reasoning being that checking back would make me feel like a dirty whore missing value. Once he raises I feel so confused cause I have by the river eliminated every single hand that beats me from his range, I curse like a madman over that ipoker doesnt have a timbank and I have to decide in 20 sec so I end up folding cause I dont want to make a quick decision calling in such a big pot. He shows TT for a made hand turned into a bluff and I feel like a retard. I do think that if I had time to think about this I would call because nothing adds up with my read on this player. At the same time I really didnt give him credit to be good enough to turn a made hand into a bluff on this river, which makes my reads about him bad in the first place. If he is a solid enough hand reader to turn TT into a bluff on the river he should be good enough to play AA/QQ this way aswell so idk. I think all said and done my river bet is the worst mistake in this hand, there is just very little value in betting the river as he is probably good enough always fold JJ and he might have slowplayed/turned a made hand into a bluff. I got owned, GG

he's good enough to fold a made hand and he's good enough to turn it into a bluff? lol

he clearly knows about the metagame

omg killbauer is playing 5-10 now?
Next month im attacking ipoker.

On February 25 2009 22:56 locoo wrote: he clearly knows about the metagame

rofl