NL200 fold QQ pre

Now, normally, this is not something I would consider. However, villain is 13/11 w 4% 3bet percentage. He is a multitabler who just recently moved up from NL100. He is 100% not making a play at me, thinking that I am just 3betting light. He thinks his 4bet is for value. This means to me KK+ and maybe AK. Anyone think this is not a fold?

Submitted by : phexac

PokerStars Game #23703575939: Holdem No Limit ($1/$2) - 2009/01/08 17:32:55 ET
Table Salonta III 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: DeJvX ($209 in chips)
Seat 2: huckpp ($203 in chips)
Seat 3: Hero ($217.45 in chips)
Seat 6: b8r7 ($253.85 in chips)
Hero: posts small blind $1
aladdin: is sitting out
b8r7: posts big blind $2

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
DeJvX: raises $5 to $7
huckpp: folds
Hero: raises $17 to $24
aladdin leaves the table
showtime joins the table at seat #4
b8r7: raises $46 to $70
DeJvX: folds
Hero:

obv you can find a fold here when you raised utg opener

---
359,583,840 games 1.016 secs 353,921,102 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 52.634% 51.06% 01.58% 183588540 5675268.00 { JJ+, AKs, AKo }
Hand 1: 47.366% 45.79% 01.58% 164644764 5675268.00 { QQ }


---


217.45/193.45

1.24:1

Really rough math but comes out to needing 44.6% equity vs his range to shove and break even. You have 47.4% equity so nope not a fold to me.

Also you can't exclude JJ and QQ from his range cuz pretty much everyone shoves those hands pre no matter how nit tight they are or what the action has been before them.

you can probably exclude JJ

oh wow. it's a cold 4bet. that makes it more of a fold i think. unless you've been crazy 3betting and think he can 4bet light

easy muck with those stats and that read

trust your read. This is why you take notes.

I wouldn't fold this because it's 4 handed though. But I wouldn't be happy with my hand against this guy 6 handed.

--- Nuked ---

stats is really nitty for 6m imo. id fold this.

if he's such a nit I guess you can fold, it can't be that big of a leak. I'd probably shove AKs though. His 4bet size is pretty big too, so that means he's bluffing even less I think.

On January 08 2009 21:28 palak wrote: --- 359,583,840 games 1.016 secs 353,921,102 games/sec Board: Dead: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 52.634% 51.06% 01.58% 183588540 5675268.00 { JJ+, AKs, AKo } Hand 1: 47.366% 45.79% 01.58% 164644764 5675268.00 { QQ } --- 217.45/193.45 1.24:1 Really rough math but comes out to needing 44.6% equity vs his range to shove and break even. You have 47.4% equity so nope not a fold to me. Also you can't exclude JJ and QQ from his range cuz pretty much everyone shoves those hands pre no matter how nit tight they are or what the action has been before them.

Nits don't stack JJ pre

Very easy muck if the guy is that big of a nit.

i guess i can't handle the fact that someone can be so nitty that they dont' stack off or 4bet with JJ pre...probably a leak on my part

exclude JJ from that range plz. most nits with those stats won't be 4 betting here /w JJ for value. esp in this position.

and if you exclude JJ you don't lose much if at all vs that tight of a range. ez fold. if villain's 3 bet calling range and 4 betting range is that tight we need to be flatting his pf raises here imo.

I don't know if you guys noticed, but he COLD 4bet; making this an easy snap fold with the info you give.

Pretty easy fold if you think he is a straighforward nit, if he is a good nit that might make some plays it gets closer but imo still a fold.

On January 09 2009 04:32 YoMeR wrote: and if you exclude JJ you don't lose much if at all vs that tight of a range. ez fold. if villain's 3 bet calling range and 4 betting range is that tight we need to be flatting his pf raises here imo.

it's not the original raisor who 4-bets here

to OP this looks like a very easy fold. best case AK.

ohhh snap. gotta stop giving advice while blazed.

meh it's still good anyway.