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c/call utg with A3s, combodraw, bluff river 200bb?

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the cleaner   Germany. Jan 07 2009 07:40. Posts 3014

Villains stats where about 25/12/2 when the hand played out, later thought stats became much more passive, like 30/10/1.5 =( . I was playing about 23/19 and aggressive. After I raised his cbet I kind of put him on KQ/KK/AQ maybe AA or QQ (less likely cause of the clubs). After he only calls my turn raise I kind of put him on KK and discarted sets. Is this spew or reasonable to to bluff river? I have a little over 3/4 potsize bet left.

note: Sorry if this belongs in low stakes. But I usualy play 100nl and being deepstacked

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PokerStars Game #23656670793: Holdem No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2009/01/07 6:20:09 ET
Table Thersites II 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: Hecklor A2 ($132.30 in chips)
Seat 2: the clêaner ($99.20 in chips)
Seat 3: Lauriukas ($25.75 in chips)
Seat 4: AhBuJee ($57.50 in chips)
Seat 5: JARDSANGEL ($49.50 in chips)
Seat 6: T.W.I.S.M.HH ($64.80 in chips)
JARDSANGEL: posts small blind $0.25
T.W.I.S.M.HH: posts big blind $0.50

Holecards
Dealt to the clêaner 3cAc
Hecklor A2: raises $1 to $1.50
the clêaner: calls $1.50
Lauriukas: folds
AhBuJee: folds
JARDSANGEL: folds
T.W.I.S.M.HH: folds

Flop (Pot : $3.75)

   Qc4c2s
Hecklor A2: bets $2
the clêaner: raises $6 to $8
Hecklor A2: calls $6

Turn (Pot : $19.75)

   Qc4c2s9h
Hecklor A2: bets $11
the clêaner: raises $18.50 to $29.50
Hecklor A2: calls $18.50

River (Pot : $78.75)

   Qc4c2s9h7h
Hecklor A2: checks
the clêaner: bets $60.20 and is all-in

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ytricky   Germany. Jan 07 2009 09:28. Posts 600

I think this is spewy. After he called the F raise i would just call turn, he has shown the he is ready to go with his hand, so raising again has very little success, as has the R bet. The board also did not change in any way.


Cro)Deadman   Croatia. Jan 07 2009 10:06. Posts 3943

river is a spew.

Metagame Purposes. 

lebowski   Greece. Jan 07 2009 10:27. Posts 9205

river is an absolute brick,give up

new shit has come to light... a-and... shit! man... 

TallyHo   Malaysia. Jan 07 2009 10:55. Posts 384

flat turn looks way better imo

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Fox   . Jan 07 2009 11:12. Posts 3110

flat turn for sure, take advantage of his desire to bet small and your position. You should be doing cartwheels that he's giving you the opportunity to see the river so cheap.


TalentedTom    Canada. Jan 07 2009 12:05. Posts 20070

good thing you priced him in on the turn with your 1/3 pot raise so he can get the rest of your money on the river

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gororokgororok   Netherlands. Jan 07 2009 12:44. Posts 3941

expect to get called here by AA/KK
also i don't think this player is very good (capable of folding big hands) by the way he played it. So why would you try to bluf him here?

 Last edit: 07/01/2009 12:48

gororokgororok   Netherlands. Jan 07 2009 12:46. Posts 3941

i rather flat his bet on the turn


the cleaner   Germany. Jan 07 2009 12:49. Posts 3014

Yea this was a brainfart for sure. I was actually planning on shoving the river when I made that small raise on turn, cause I thought it would look like a set trying to get max value from an overpair, since his hand was pretty much faceup. Fancy player syndrome.

there are no facts only interpretations 

the cleaner   Germany. Jan 07 2009 12:52. Posts 3014

When I raised turn, I thought that he would never put me on big flush draw, cause instead of calling his smallish bet on turn I raise small myself, having no FE. Thought that line would look really strong. Obviously it didn't.

there are no facts only interpretations 

GirlsRVicious   United States. Jan 07 2009 12:54. Posts 1094


  On January 07 2009 09:55 TallyHo wrote:
flat turn looks way better imo

LOL Live Pokerz 

SpasticInk   Sweden. Jan 07 2009 13:39. Posts 6298

if you put him on such a strong hand then you can probably call and valuetown river.

raising to make him fold out such hands is not to recommend.


asdf2000   United States. Jan 07 2009 15:49. Posts 7710


  On January 07 2009 11:52 the cleaner wrote:
When I raised turn, I thought that he would never put me on big flush draw, cause instead of calling his smallish bet on turn I raise small myself, having no FE. Thought that line would look really strong. Obviously it didn't.



you're playing 50nl
its unlikely opponent thinks like this

Grindin so hard, Im smashin pussies left and right. 

Dkent001   United States. Jan 07 2009 16:25. Posts 143

yea... thinking too hard I think


MysticJoey   Poland. Jan 07 2009 16:33. Posts 1430

preflop is a spew.


Maynard!   United States. Jan 07 2009 17:25. Posts 4453

Butchered. Just butchered my man.

Now I really am a busto. Thanks FTP. 

the cleaner   Germany. Jan 07 2009 17:32. Posts 3014


  On January 07 2009 15:33 MysticJoey wrote:
preflop is a spew.



Pf was ez call cause we where 200bb deep and no aggressive 3betting going on at the table. But I agree this was spewy.

there are no facts only interpretations 

JonnyCosMo   United States. Jan 07 2009 17:59. Posts 7292

Preflop is kinda spewy, if I'm gonna raise the turn it's going to be a much bigger bomb, esp this deep I want him to know that the money will be flying in even thou you should be giving up on river.

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Baalim   Mexico. Jan 07 2009 21:42. Posts 34312

it would be an ok call if u were on late position

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