JJ 4bet pot HU

Submitted by : nabz

***** Hand History for Game 463652502 *****
$200.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, January 07, 01:32:34 ET 2009
Table Madrid 44 Real Money
Seat 1 is the button
Seat 1: Hero $211.20 USD
Seat 2: lassekjus33 $204.40 USD
Hero posts small blind [$1.00 USD].
lassekjus33 posts big blind [$2.00 USD].

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
Hero raises [$5.00 USD]
lassekjus33 raises [$16.00 USD]
Hero raises [$39.00 USD]
lassekjus33 calls [$27.00 USD]

Flop (Pot : $82.00)

   
lassekjus33 checks
Hero checks

Turn (Pot : $82.00)

   
lassekjus33 bets [$67.50 USD]
Hero

as far as i know those stats don't really tell us how he plays 3bet pots. anyways I call the hell out of this bet. and i maybe call a river shove.

how could we know his range any better than you do?

55/40 is somewhat standard and doesn't necessarily say a whole lot about how this guy is playing 3 and 4bet pots

basically what were saying here is that even if we dont have the info that vilain may be on a bluff were still calling turn and any blank river ?

i think his range is something like ATs+ , AJo+ , 66+, KJs, KQo, KQs

this is just a really bad board for you to continue

i wouldve bet / fold flop because if he doesn't have an ace he will give up right there

flatcalling turn in this spot makes poker so ez for him, he can c/f his worse hands on river and valueshove everything that beats you

even if he is a bit crazy and has a wider flatcall 4bet range (like middle suited connectors and worse aces), you're still probably crushed in this spot

he might be bluffing turn but it would just be a guessing game to call, which is completely unnecessary

it doesn't make sense for you to check an ace behind yourself on that flop (you have to protect against random draws like JT / KsQs etc)

so you just bet between 2/3 - 3/4 pot on flop and got to give up if he shoves

especially since you two have just started playing, if he keeps calling 4bets light and stuff then you can adjust. No need to give him a large chunk of your stack so early by making an extremely risky bluff catcher.

there is nothing extremely risky about it...
even if he has Ax u have 6 outs and can just re-eval turn if you miss

if he bluffs river every time here u can just call river too, cuz its profitable
if he doesn't bluff river much then u can fold if he shoves, because it won't be profitable.

On January 07 2009 02:46 Tycho wrote: even if he is a bit crazy and has a wider flatcall 4bet range (like middle suited connectors and worse aces), you're still probably crushed in this spot

what??
howso?
It seems to me you'd have to really know the opponent well to make a statement like that.

I'd bet 30 on flop and snap a shove. As played I'd call down on good cards.

i'm a nit

On January 07 2009 15:08 DustySwedeDude wrote: I'd bet 30 on flop and snap a shove. As played I'd call down on good cards.

god i love swedes you guys fucking GET IT

He's 55/40, I want to give him a small amount of credit for being somewhat competent, I don't think he'll ever check this flop with an ace in a 4 bet pot. I don't like bet folding the flop on the offchance he does try to check raise an ace, and he can check raise us with 2 different draws. I do like checking behind the flop and calling a bet here and possibly a good river as well.

On January 08 2009 13:46 ikc5 wrote: He's 55/40, I want to give him a small amount of credit for being somewhat competent, I don't think he'll ever check this flop with an ace in a 4 bet pot.

he's OOP and hero is the last to raise PF. why would villain bet out vs the raiser?

i usually call here

On January 08 2009 03:52 [vital]Myth wrote: Show nested quote + On January 07 2009 15:08 DustySwedeDude wrote: I'd bet 30 on flop and snap a shove. As played I'd call down on good cards. god i love swedes you guys fucking GET IT

loolool

I don't get myth though. He's weird.

On January 08 2009 14:46 asdf2000 wrote: Show nested quote + On January 08 2009 13:46 ikc5 wrote: He's 55/40, I want to give him a small amount of credit for being somewhat competent, I don't think he'll ever check this flop with an ace in a 4 bet pot. he's OOP and hero is the last to raise PF. why would villain bet out vs the raiser?

considering hero checked an ace high flop i think hes betting any A and sets for value and i guess hes also betting any flushdraw + maybe 99

edit: misclick post fail

Board: Ac 7s 8s Th
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 15.803% 15.33% 00.47% 1086 33.50 { JcJh }
Hand 1: 84.197% 83.72% 00.47% 5931 33.50 { 77+, A2s+, KsQs, A2o+ }


Does this makes it an easy fold or im completely wrong