NL400 anyone every fold KK PF here?

Ok, yeah KK PF. This player is a HUGE station (75/3 or something) and can do retarded bluffs post-flop. However, this is the first time I have seen him do anything other than limp and call PF in about 80 hands, and he 3bets and 5bets basically instantaneously. Do we still snap-shove for 200 BBs here?

Submitted by : phexac

PokerStars Game #23413284914: Holdem No Limit ($2/$4) - 2008/12/30 18:27:46 ET
Table Peitho V 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: husbyfjöl ($825.40 in chips)
Seat 2: blulineJ ($413 in chips)
Seat 4: wader ($573.80 in chips)
Seat 5: Hero ($849.50 in chips)
Seat 6: Teiresias216 ($947.90 in chips)
blulineJ: posts small blind $2
wader: posts big blind $4

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
Hero: raises $12 to $16
Teiresias216: folds
husbyfjöl: raises $12 to $28
blulineJ: folds
wader: folds
Hero: raises $74 to $102
husbyfjöl: raises $74 to $176
Hero:

as a general rule of thumb you should probably have an idea in mind of what you're going to do the second you 3bet or 4bet someone in response to his 4bet or 5bet. 4betting KK for "value" but not knowing exactly what to do to a 5bet is really costly. not that i blame you or anything since this is kind of a special case and i probably would've done the same and his min re-raises is like the telltale sign of AA, but just make sure you dont have that leak with regards to other things pre.

but you said he's capable of retarded bluffs post, i think from that we can still infer the fact that he's just a wild splashy player. If anything I hate outright jamming, but i think if you put in maybe another small raise (even one that obv commits you, like 333 or something) and let him jam it's a bit better.

i can see just flatting as an alternative because now it widens his range slightly if he can ever ever 5b here with anything other than AA that might not have wanted to stick it in pre for whatever reason, but playing 5b pots vs peculiar fish isn't exactly my forte so i can't really give any advice on that.

2x instaminiraise from a station preflop = AA 100%

maybe you can even call for setvalue in this spot, not sure, but shoving 200bb deep over this is bad

yeah i agree with balzamon that this is just AA so much but in my experience (when im stubborn) i still end up seeing like QQ or JJ or AK sometimes it's definitely strange. it's like the fish who have 1% pfr and when they finally do raise it's like with 74o or something and never anything ever good.

On December 30 2008 18:04 PanoRaMa wrote: yeah i agree with balzamon that this is just AA so much but in my experience (when im stubborn) i still end up seeing like QQ or JJ or AK sometimes it's definitely strange. it's like the fish who have 1% pfr and when they finally do raise it's like with 74o or something and never anything ever good.

doubt he happily would be clicking the miniraise button if it was some random hand, yeah sure many fishes just know that button but still. if it was like a 5betshove i would snapcall

fold is fine since you guys are deep

with 1 bi it's probably gotta go in though

hell no

this is snap 5-bet


and its note even close BTW

hmm can't fold kk against like total fishbags even if i wanted to

Hee maybe I'm just that bad but against fishy stats players I don't fold KK ever, even if I had the chance to know that one of his cards is an ACE (this is hypothetical obv) i would still call and be happy expecting AX like 80% of the time.

KK= all in
Is it that hard to understand?

"75/3 or something" miniraising twice PREFLOP (the street fish dont know how to be aggressive), are you guys srs?

On December 30 2008 18:44 TalentedTom wrote: hell no this is snap 5-bet and its note even close BTW

typo aside this is a very quoteworthy post :D

200BB preflop against this type of passive drooler I can defvo find a fold.

His mini 3b and 4b scream AA.....

This is tough,but it;s much easier imo when you have a player like this.

I mean come on they cold call AK like nearly always and raise,call QQ sometimes just call.


Against another type(regular player) this would become much tougher,and the way I'm playing at the moment just about immposible.

Insta min bet multiple times is definitely scary, but maybe he's had a cold 80 hands and finally picked up QQ or AK and is going with it. I think I still get it in and pray. If I had more history where I'd seen him do insta min bets like this with the nutz and I had more hands I'd feel like maybe folding. The thing is I find that lots of stationy fish never want to raise with AA/KK/QQ/AK PF - they always call to slowplay. So when they're suddenly betting it's like JJ or AQ.

On December 31 2008 10:17 PoorUser wrote: Show nested quote + On December 30 2008 18:44 TalentedTom wrote: hell no this is snap 5-bet and its note even close BTW typo aside this is a very quoteworthy post :D

beat me to it