[nl25] fold KK pre to nit?

13/9/4.6 , I cant see him have anything other then KK/AA here. fold?

Submitted by : k4ir0s

PokerStars Game #22633990297: Holdem No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/12/05 0:19:18 ET
Table Comacina 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: xxxxyxxxx ($25 in chips)
Seat 2: k4ir0s ($31 in chips)
Seat 3: AmpTech ($51.95 in chips)
Seat 4: ~MyRegards~ ($15.05 in chips)
Seat 5: sinatra85 ($33.60 in chips)
Seat 6: ramoctopus ($17.50 in chips)
Seat 8: RicL ($28.35 in chips)
Seat 9: Ginsy3328 ($9.65 in chips)
k4ir0s : posts small blind $0.10
AmpTech: posts big blind $0.25
JesseGame: sits out

Holecards
Dealt to k4ir0s
~MyRegards~: folds
~MyRegards~ leaves the table
sinatra85: raises $0.75 to $1
ramoctopus: folds
RicL: folds
Ginsy3328: folds
xxxxyxxxx: folds
k4ir0s : raises $2.50 to $3.50
AmpTech: folds
sinatra85: raises $5.50 to $9

sample size?

On December 04 2008 23:45 fenner wrote: sample size?

atleast 800

allin, eat your coolers like a man

i think when u have that large like a 500+ sample size and u really think hes a very standard nit who wont 4bet anything but kk-aa that its okay to fold here in fr; alternatively though if you are 4betting kk (which you should be) it takes an extremely solid read to fold and most people would say u never should if you've committed that much.

(of course, my advice is invalid since i'm like the worst nit ever. :O)

On December 05 2008 00:06 PokerDoc88 wrote: allin, eat your coolers like a man

U cant fold KK preflop in cashgame !

if his 4betting range is only KK+ then a fold is fine here. iirc, everyone at 25nl is super nitty in terms of stacking off preflop

lol

On December 05 2008 00:06 PokerDoc88 wrote: allin, eat your coolers like a man

I don't play full ring. I would not fold this in 6max, but according to your description it looks a lot like AA, especialy since it's 25nl and people are so nitty regarding 3bets. In 6max the chance of somebody holding AA when u have KK is a little below 3% I think. In fullring this should be higher.

On December 04 2008 23:34 k4ir0s wrote: 13/9/4.6 , I cant see him have anything other then KK/AA here. fold?

that answers your question imo I mean if that's all you can put him on then fold you're the one playing the game. On a side note I'm never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever folding

Your read, do what you want. FWIW, there are only like two players out of thousands I've played that I'm sure have a range of KK+ here.

Folded KK the other day for 150bb in 6max 50nl. Both players involved have been at the table for about 200 hands. First guy 20/0/1 (about 80bb stack) opened UTG, I 3bet KK from MP, and a real nitty german dude 13/7 and who like never 3bets made a commiting 4bet, I folded and felt like I just got raped .

On December 05 2008 05:24 PplusAD wrote: Show nested quote + On December 05 2008 00:06 PokerDoc88 wrote: allin, eat your coolers like a man U cant fold KK preflop in cashgame !

you can def. fold here, it's all about what the distribution of his range is. That's read based and something that other ppl are going to have a hard time telling you, especially as all levels play differently

My personal read is that his 4.6AF over a decent sample is enough to tilt me towards maybe putting AK or QQ in his range, and I shovealumpalous.

lol

bah fucking KK s get raped in my case everyday - almost always against randoms or regs its AA and seldom kk or ak, qq. so far in two months its really one of the biggest losers in the premiums bracket. FR is so much different than 6max. If you have enough info or a solid read then fold your KKs and live with it. and anything below 400nl imo its pretty ok to fold these coz people are really nitty and transparent.

but eurodonk sites i NEVER fold this. stars and ftp = nitty grinder fiesta

boohoo he had AA