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50 NL hard Q10 suited good flop, hard decision?

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Eluflop   Estonia. Dec 03 2008 08:05. Posts 3835

** Hand # 2295924666 starting - 2008-12-03 14:44:48
** Big Shot [Hold 'em] (0.25|0.50 NL - Cash Game) Real Money

alex146 sitting in seat 1 with $86.02
SeanPof sitting in seat 2 with $52.27
Zoso3 sitting in seat 3 with $22.14
sitapipi sitting in seat 4 with $82.95[Dealer]
SoN4R__1 sitting in seat 5 with $48.27
Rippe357 sitting in seat 6 with $26.63
SoN4R__1 posted the small blind - $0.25
Rippe357 posted the big blind - $0.50

** Dealing cards to sitapipi: Qh, 10h
alex146 called - $0.50
SeanPof folded
Zoso3 called - $0.50
sitapipi raised to $3.00
SoN4R__1 called - $3.00
Rippe357 called - $3.00
alex146 called - $3.00
Zoso3 called - $3.00

** Dealing the flop: 3h, 9h, Qc
SoN4R__1 checked
Rippe357 checked
alex146 checked
Zoso3 checked
sitapipi bet - $13.50
SoN4R__1 folded
Rippe357 folded
alex146 called - $13.50
Zoso3 folded

** Dealing the turn: 7s
alex146 checked
sitapipi bet - $27.50
alex146 called - $27.50

** Dealing the river: 5d
alex146 went all-in - $42.02

Villians stats are 41/8/16.
Call or fold ? His range is so damn wide I didn't know what to do. Can someone help me ?

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4kinggenius   United Kingdom. Dec 03 2008 08:10. Posts 317

Submitted by : 4kinggenius

** Hand # 2295924666 starting - 2008-12-03 14:44:48
** Big Shot [Hold 'em] (0.25|0.50 NL - Cash Game) Real Money
alex146 sitting in seat 1 with $86.02
SeanPof sitting in seat 2 with $52.27
Zoso3 sitting in seat 3 with $22.14
sitapipi sitting in seat 4 with $82.95[Dealer]
SoN4R__1 sitting in seat 5 with $48.27
Rippe357 sitting in seat 6 with $26.63
SoN4R__1 posted the small blind - $0.25
Rippe357 posted the big blind - $0.50

Holecards
   QhTh
alex146 called - $0.50
SeanPof folded
Zoso3 called - $0.50
sitapipi raised to $3.00
SoN4R__1 called - $3.00
Rippe357 called - $3.00
alex146 called - $3.00
Zoso3 called - $3.00

Flop (Pot : $15.00)

   3h9hQc
SoN4R__1 checked
Rippe357 checked
alex146 checked
Zoso3 checked
sitapipi bet - $13.50
SoN4R__1 folded
Rippe357 folded
alex146 called - $13.50
Zoso3 folded

Turn (Pot : $42.00)

   3h9hQc7s
alex146 checked
sitapipi bet - $27.50
alex146 called - $27.50

River (Pot : $97.00)

   3h9hQc7s5d
alex146 went all-in - $42.02


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Eluflop   Estonia. Dec 03 2008 08:14. Posts 3835

Thank you ... So can anyone help ?


4kinggenius   United Kingdom. Dec 03 2008 08:15. Posts 317

Your right in that he could have pretty much anything here including a busted FD - your bet size on the turn is wrong imo as your almost giving him the right odds to call for his flush. Either Pot turn or check behind to hit your flush for free

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4Kingell   United Kingdom. Dec 03 2008 08:19. Posts 1453

With stats of 41/8/16 assuming 16 is Agg Factor not Frequency then you have to call as played as the guy is clearly an aggro spew monkey post flop.

I would fold PF. EDIT:- as you are on the button then actually no problm with PF bet. As played PF and flop I would check behind the turn and call a reasonable sized river bet.

If you know the enemy and know yourself you need not fear the results of a hundred battles. Sun Tzu Last edit: 03/12/2008 08:23

edzwoo   United States. Dec 03 2008 08:59. Posts 5911

How long did he take call on each street? If he had to think for a bit before shoving on the river, I would be more prone to call.

Like you said his range could be really wide here, and hands that beat you here probably include sets, AQ, KQ, two pairs, and maybe even a freak 86hh. I don't like double barreling the turn because a 48/8 is semi-likely to shove his entire range on the river, putting you in a nasty spot even if the flush hits.

The bluffs in his range are busted flush draws and JT (shows up more often that you'd think).

Having said all that, if he instashoved that river, I would fold because the majority of sane people would have to think before shoving a whole buyin. If he took anything longer than that I would call.

 Last edit: 03/12/2008 08:59

cariadon   Estonia. Dec 03 2008 09:00. Posts 4019

check behind turn always


edzwoo   United States. Dec 03 2008 09:01. Posts 5911

But really, I don't think you should be betting the turn and folding if the river bricks, it's pretty weak play imo.


Fox   . Dec 03 2008 09:25. Posts 3110

yer in position. check behind turn. call his smaller river bet or raise if you spike the heart.


JoeDeertay   United States. Dec 03 2008 19:16. Posts 1730


  On December 03 2008 07:15 4kinggenius wrote:
Your right in that he could have pretty much anything here including a busted FD - your bet size on the turn is wrong imo as your almost giving him the right odds to call for his flush. Either Pot turn or check behind to hit your flush for free



He has 22% of the guys "outs" if he is on a FD, so that's more of a reason to give a deceptively better price imo. If the guy is drawing he will base his plays on 9 flush outs instead of 7 and he'll end up making a play that he thinks is profitable but really isn't. And besides if the flush hits I'm happier than if it doesn't against this guy's range.

Variance has a big brother named doomswitch. - edzwoo 

JoeDeertay   United States. Dec 03 2008 19:17. Posts 1730

Not saying that I would even bet the turn here, I'm just making a point about the bet size. I'd probably check behind the turn myself.

Variance has a big brother named doomswitch. - edzwoo 

 



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