set vs overset

Submitted by : Joe

** Hand # 2293712469 starting - 2008-12-02 00:04:15
** Nan`s Song 2 [Hold 'em] (3.00|6.00 NL - Cash Game) Real Money
ImBuginOut sitting in seat 1 with €569.45
LIMPA_DIRR sitting in seat 2 with €723.00
jarsiv sitting in seat 3 with €2055.27
Joeik4 sitting in seat 4 with €1164.85[Dealer]
trotylion_TT sitting in seat 6 with €603.00
trotylion_TT posted the small blind - €3.00
ImBuginOut posted the big blind - €6.00

Holecards(Odds)
   
LIMPA_DIRR raised to €24.00
jarsiv called - €24.00
Joeik4 called - €24.00
trotylion_TT folded
ImBuginOut folded

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $81.00)

   
LIMPA_DIRR bet - €48.00
jarsiv raised to €96.00
Joeik4 raised to €215.00
LIMPA_DIRR folded
jarsiv raised to €774.00
Joeik4 went all-in - €925.85
jarsiv called - €1140.85

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $1,980.70)

   

River (Pot : $1,980.70)

   

Showdown
Joeik4 shows:,
jarsiv shows:,
jarsiv wins €2407.70 from the main pot

people never shove QK/JT here, ever.

So you think that after my cold 3-bet on the flop and his 4-bet I am vs a range that is exactly TT/JJ? + Maybe some pure bluff or slowplayed AA once in a bluemoon? Which means I basically have to fold here as standard without a special read after he 4-bet me?

Maybe just flat the minraise, cuz otherwise u look damn strong...

And if u call and limpa dirr shoves KQ and the other dude doesnt fold JT QQ or whatever that u beat.

The biggest mistake is playing with LIMPA_DIRR here. He's nasty.

so u lost set against set

what the fuck do u want us to say

what i just did

On December 01 2008 20:48 Zanjong wrote: Maybe just flat the minraise, cuz otherwise u look damn strong... And if u call and limpa dirr shoves KQ and the other dude doesnt fold JT QQ or whatever that u beat.

seconded
i also like to flat the minraise b/c you cant have anything other then a set on a such dry flop when u 3bet the minraise on the flop and KQ is never gonna shove over us and probably not TJ or QQ-AA either.

On December 02 2008 02:52 Rekrul wrote: so u lost set against set what the fuck do u want us to say

Since I have doubts about my play, I want good players to comment on it. I basically want to know what experience do most people who play similar games have and what range is villain likely to have here. Because after I thought about it for longer, I am quite unsure if a normal non maniacal regular will have anything but TT, JJ and JTs in their range here, with JTs being actually less likely, because a lot of people wouldnt shove it maybe.

(And of course I am not asking about your live poker experience, live I dont have a problem stacking off with 55 against JJ here even say 4 buyins deep, because I know some people will have hands like 97, K9 or KJ here.)

And pokerstove says, that 55 is only 23.5% against a range of TT, JJ, JTs here.
Board: 5s Jh Td
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 23.497% 23.50% 00.00% 1861 0.00 { 5c5h }
Hand 1: 76.503% 76.50% 00.00% 6059 0.00 { JJ-TT, JTs }

On December 01 2008 20:48 Zanjong wrote: Maybe just flat the minraise, cuz otherwise u look damn strong... And if u call and limpa dirr shoves KQ and the other dude doesnt fold JT QQ or whatever that u beat.

What line would u take after calling? I mean, if safe cards will come, u will loose whole stack anyway when he has overset, but now the original raisor will call the minraise with anything like KQ/AQ/98... and u wont have much easier decision on next streets.

Ive been thinkin bout this situation too
I think you can fold here fairly easy even though some would say set over set is jus a cooler
from his preflop call JJ and 10's are def. in his range and after his 5 bet shove a fold is def. possible
nothin else shoves here except a set
think about it

On December 02 2008 12:11 Chibuzo21 wrote: I think you can fold here fairly easy

lol wtf are you talking about

i like flatting the min here

it's gonna make the pot big enough your gonna get it in that way by the river anyway

and it lets them come in with a wider range vs you as opposed to if you 3bet this flop and call a push, that range is very narrow.

the way you played it if the guy's a nit this is 100% fold and he looks on the nitty side judging solely from his stats.

if we are folding here, then we should never be 3betting the flop and since we're never folding here, then we should just flat flop

so yeah, im in the zanjong/hansen jr party

i think there are players that at worst *sometimes* have JTs there, and it would technically be correct to get away from ur hand, but i still get coolered here every time.

It would be a different animal if it was something like 5J7 rainbow cause no one really had J7s in their range

not a big fan of playing hands face up

meh read the hand incorrectly again lol

flatting flop then mostly folding if i see heavy action by both by turn. k pretty much kills u if they continue firing

On December 04 2008 04:58 whamm! wrote: meh read the hand incorrectly again lol flatting flop then mostly folding if i see heavy action by both by turn. k pretty much kills u if they continue firing