NL100 ickyspot 140BBs deep

villain is a multitabling regular afaik. he is playing 22.9/12.7 over 650+ hands.
During the hand, i was thinking after he calls flop his range is QT+, 44-TT, FD.
after he then raises the turn i can narrow his range to 44, 66, and QT+, which he might
even raise flop with Qx. i was wondering how you feel about my assigned ranges here, whether others agree with them, and how i should go about proceeding in the hand. i think my only options are to shove or fold, cause if a flush card hits the river it kills my action. i dont think he can have a FD here after raising the turn because he probly wouldnt wait til the turn to raise. i dont think calling rly makes sense.

sorry for the hand being in text format, for some reason i cannot post it in the hand viewer. i copied it out of HEM, and idk why but it wont allow me to post it.


***** Hand History for Game 22515865576 *****
$100.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, November 30, 09:53:21 ET 2008
Table Meliboea III (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Seat 2: Nookx ( $100.00 USD )
Seat 3: dong88 ( $41.65 USD )
Seat 4: zecke79 ( $150.10 USD )
Seat 5: bigbluffer79 ( $141.00 USD )
Seat 6: helen_gamble ( $132.95 USD )
Seat 7: Highpothead ( $58.50 USD )
Seat 8: RichyRichDic ( $100.00 USD )
Seat 9: leftycrafty ( $100.00 USD )
dong88 posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
zecke79 posts big blind [$1.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to bigbluffer79 [ Qs As ]
bigbluffer79 raises [$4.00 USD]
helen_gamble calls [$4.00 USD]
Highpothead folds
RichyRichDic folds
leftycrafty folds
Nookx calls [$4.00 USD]
dong88 folds
zecke79 folds
** Dealing Flop ** [ Qc, Qd, 4c ]
bigbluffer79 bets [$9.00 USD]
helen_gamble calls [$9.00 USD]
Nookx folds
** Dealing Turn ** [ 6d ]
bigbluffer79 bets [$20.00 USD]
helen_gamble raises [$50.00 USD]
bigbluffer79:

are u fuckin serious. lol @ u if u folded this.

what a stupid line if he has 44/66 like always here and I wouldn't be surprised considering he's probably a huge nitfish. shove anyways or call/ c/shove river if you think he's folding QT+ on the turn.

shoving is prly best

On December 01 2008 13:50 TallyHo wrote: what a stupid line if he has 44/66 like always here and I wouldn't be surprised considering he's probably a huge nitfish.

r u saying my line is stupid here? i can only deduct his range doesnt include a flush draw when he raises the turn, so i pretty much have to bet turn. kinda stupid not to i would think.

i think there are enough Qx's in his range to make this a shove and celebrate

On December 01 2008 14:09 shaneomac wrote: Show nested quote + On December 01 2008 13:50 TallyHo wrote: what a stupid line if he has 44/66 like always here and I wouldn't be surprised considering he's probably a huge nitfish. r u saying my line is stupid here? i can only deduct his range doesnt include a flush draw when he raises the turn, so i pretty much have to bet turn. kinda stupid not to i would think.

errr I was referring to his line. sry wasn't clear ; )

well i think that his line is pretty solid if he has 44/66. i think calling this flop with 66 might be a tiny spew, however if he has 44 why not call the flop instead of raising. it gives person behind a chance to come along and/or raise it up. it also makes it so he gets 2 bets out of me if i maybe have AA or KK. The only thing bad about it is the fact that ifi a club comes off (obv he isnt scared of it) it could potentially kill his action. but all in all i think his flat here is a fine play, however a little transparent.

I don't think we can celebrate but it's a shove imo

I dont fold. and btw when he flats flop (i dunno anything about the guy) but u should always give some credit to JJ-AA(morso JJ in this spot).

Btw people frequently flat those hands moreso when theres not a squeeze opportunity, but still dont discount them. As it is though, that is irrelvent to the actual hand.

I dont fold though, fk my life if hes a nit but with no read. And theres no room to do anything but shove really, like flatting really doesn't even have much merit just because of how much each of you have invested already, you have to have a monster read that he'll get in all his hands he will on the turn PLUS bluff shove the river when checked to(because ur not going to flat, and open shove river), cuz if he does something like check behind AA (people are retarded -__-) then u fk urself out of some value.

Fwiw i like a slightly bigger turn bet, something like 23

On December 01 2008 14:20 shaneomac wrote: well i think that his line is pretty solid if he has 44/66. i think calling this flop with 66 might be a tiny spew, however if he has 44 why not call the flop instead of raising. it gives person behind a chance to come along and/or raise it up. it also makes it so he gets 2 bets out of me if i maybe have AA or KK. The only thing bad about it is the fact that ifi a club comes off (obv he isnt scared of it) it could potentially kill his action. but all in all i think his flat here is a fine play, however a little transparent.

yeah, problem is he can rep a much wider range by raising the flop whereas if he just calls flop and raises turn (especially if he raises small) he almost never has draws here and most likely 44 (66 a little less likely) and strong queens. don't mind his line but I wouldn't choose it against you

ahh very true. i didnt look @ it in that sense. i guess maybe since maybe he had an idea i was playing quite a few tables he didnt take me for a thinking player and just assumed i was roboting maybe. yeah in that regard his line is kinda lame being ubertransparent.

you also have 7 outs if behind

dunno how many worse queens he has utg+1 vs utg; maybe only QK but I don't fold.

with the odds you are getting you need roughly 33% equity

352 games 0.005 secs 70,400 games/sec

Board: Qc Qd 4c 6d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 28.977% 21.88% 07.10% 77 25.00 { AsQs }
Hand 1: 71.023% 63.92% 07.10% 225 25.00 { 66, 44, AQs, KQs }

Add KQo and you get

484 games 0.031 secs 15,612 games/sec

Board: Qc Qd 4c 6d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 44.628% 37.60% 07.02% 182 34.00 { AsQs }
Hand 1: 55.372% 48.35% 07.02% 234 34.00 { 66, 44, AQs, KQs, KQo }

so even vs a tight range you can get it in here

Any other Q combo probably calls turn.

This is a line a lot of NL100 players take with sets. But considering his stats for FR i'd be ok with getting it in here.

villain is more like a multitabling donk that's pretty spewy and pays me off with a lot of worse hands
i get it in on the turn and celebrate always

if he's a nit then i really don't expect to get action on this flop with my hand unless he's willing to bet his hand himself, but i may get him to bluff or valuebet a little bit thin if i check so i check and i typically keep checking

point of FR though is to have proper history that you can bet like 2x pot on flop and shove turn and get called by worse a lot

playing 22.9/12 in full ring game is not tight! Shove !

and I think this flop is dry enough to check as the pfr but betting also has merit vs a LOT of players based on the simple fact that people like to tool out on this board facing a cbet as much as they like to when checked to cause this board gets cbet always and paired board no trust etc.