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bigbb33   Canada. Nov 30 2008 01:45. Posts 3679 | | |
Very new to HU, don't understand too much of the theory or what my ideal play should be when opponent X starts doing Y.
I played against a guy who I had trouble coming up with a theoretical response to. What I mean by 'theoretical response' is just a basic game plan, like "start 4betting with air and TT+ and dont cbet unless you are ready to call a c/rai".
Here's what my opponent's style was:
Opens 70% or so.
Either folds or 3bets vs opens.
3bets (to 10bbs) wide range including KK,44,J9o,T9o (seen). 3bet range probably includes all pairs, likely lots of connectors and all big hands.
Calls 80-100% of 4bets (i 4bet to 26bbs).
Plan for value after getting 4bet is to c/rai.
Seen him call a 4bet with 44. Flop really nailed my range and we checked it down and I saw his hand. I can only assume he was planning to c/rai a lot of boards with his 44 as a bluff, and since he is calling 80-100% of my 4bets and he is 3betting a wide range he is probably planning to do the same with the rest of his connector-type stuff. I have only seen him c/rai though with good hands, so he may just be waiting for a gutshot or some pair to c/rai with his more marginal 3bet/4bet calling hands.
Never 4bets himself. He calls vs 3bets about 40%, folds 60%. Have caught him floating a high flop vs me however when I 3bet and he called. He has also folded to a few cbets in 3bet pots, probably 50-50.
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What should my general counter strategy be? What range should I be 3bet/4betting and why? What about my opening range? Should I try to incorporate limping? Once I am in a 3bet/4bet pot, what should my cbet strategy be and why?
Thanks
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gawdawaful   Canada. Nov 30 2008 01:53. Posts 9015 | | |
just be ready to get it in a lot lighter than you normally would imo |
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PoorUser   United States. Nov 30 2008 01:53. Posts 7472 | | |
4b tight and profit
or 4b loose and be a monster on flops
people who play like this its also pretty good to minraise pf from the btn (im assuming you werent) |
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bigbb33   Canada. Nov 30 2008 02:03. Posts 3679 | | |
| | On November 30 2008 00:53 PoorUser wrote:
4b tight and profit
or 4b loose and be a monster on flops
people who play like this its also pretty good to minraise pf from the btn (im assuming you werent) |
What do you mean by 4bet loose and be a monster?
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bigbb33   Canada. Nov 30 2008 02:03. Posts 3679 | | |
| | On November 30 2008 00:53 gawdawaful wrote:
just be ready to get it in a lot lighter than you normally would imo |
Ya I know that much but I'm looking more for specifics... I'm confused often as to whether or not to cbet, or whether to start calling 3bets or 4betting ATo or what not, etc. |
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locoo   Peru. Nov 30 2008 12:46. Posts 4566 | | |
i played the same kind of guy @ NL400 HU lately, what i did was 3bet light for value with A8s+ type hands everytime, and 4bet tight, call with suited connectors and make a lot of plays on just raise/called flops
he still owned me but my approach didn't seem to be too bad |
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TalentedTom   Canada. Nov 30 2008 12:49. Posts 20070 | | |
you can gamble with him but with a stronger range, or you can take a lower varience approach and min open/limp buttons |
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TalentedTom   Canada. Nov 30 2008 12:50. Posts 20070 | | |
these guys are usually very easy to play against assuming you are not card dead |
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Maynard!   United States. Nov 30 2008 17:19. Posts 4453 | | |
He wants to play big pots regardless of his hand strength. Play big pots when you're ahead and avoid him when you're not. |
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thundza   United States. Nov 30 2008 17:31. Posts 2001 | | |
| | On November 30 2008 00:53 PoorUser wrote:
people who play like this its also pretty good to minraise pf from the btn (im assuming you werent) |
This is a great strategy vs somebody who never flats oop. The size and frequency of his 3 bets will determine how often we call. Play bloated pots in position and win. ez game. |
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Is it wrong to 4bet light for value (KJo+,88+) and just get it in superlight on the flop? If he calls me with 44 and 9To I'll sure as hell have a lot of equity on almost any flop. |
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Fraser   Canada. Dec 01 2008 10:07. Posts 4605 | | |
| | On November 30 2008 17:31 DustySwedeDude wrote:
Is it wrong to 4bet light for value (KJo+,88+) and just get it in superlight on the flop? If he calls me with 44 and 9To I'll sure as hell have a lot of equity on almost any flop. |
If hes 4betting hands like t9o often and calling 4bets 100% then i think this is what i'd do too. and as far as postflop after a 4bet, if hes check raising allin all the time then ya obv bet hands you want to get it in with. if he starts pushing turns when you check behind then you can start taking that as a value line and just mix it up to respond to his adjustments to you.
I like what PU said about minraising too, its good to fuck with people who never flat oop and minimize the value they get from 3betting u off hands. that being said if you have a good read on how hes playing now and how u can exploit it then theres no reason to change the dynamic. |
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Fraser   Canada. Dec 01 2008 10:11. Posts 4605 | | |
basically its gonna be harder to outplay him postflop cause the pots so big but your stronger range should do the job for you as long as you're not folding too much |
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YoMeR   United States. Dec 02 2008 18:35. Posts 12438 | | |
i start out by 4 betting air/hands i want to get all in with obv depends on what i see and our dynamics.
I'd flat all hands that have post flop value like KJ and shit obv depends what hands i call depending on dynamics again.
post flop i'll size my bets smaller in 3bet/4bet pots to induce retarded calldowns/shoves and also be able to get away with cheap bluffs.
i don't mind flatting 3 bets as well with all of your range that you want to play and just monster him postflop. |
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milkman   United States. Dec 02 2008 20:29. Posts 5719 | | |
quit this nig and find a fish.. |
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SakiSaki   Sweden. Dec 03 2008 00:32. Posts 9687 | | |
I agree with whats been said by TT and pooruser. Minraising the button is the nuts against these guys. It makes the pot to stack ratio great for outplayaments in position. |
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Baalim   Mexico. Dec 03 2008 01:26. Posts 34312 | | |
| | On December 02 2008 23:32 SakiSaki wrote:
I agree with whats been said by TT and pooruser. Minraising the button is the nuts against these guys. It makes the pot to stack ratio great for outplayaments in position. |
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