SB vs BB with 77

villain just got moved to the table a little while ago and hasn't played a hand in one orbit so he's basically an unknown. against an unknown in a blind battle, what should be my range for calling his shove?

I feel like I play too much like a pussy in tourneys and so I finish in the money or near the bubble a lot but it seems like I never accumulate a monster stack to get to the FT and take it down. Even though I'm probably flipping at best here, should I be taking gambles like this to build a large stack?

Submitted by : TenBagger

PokerStars Game #22392480791: Tournament #122500852, $50+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (125/250) - 2008/11/26 18:47:30 ET
Table '122500852 33' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: Gibb Stutz (8124 in chips)
Seat 2: RayzorKing (12617 in chips)
Seat 3: Sofia_87 (3524 in chips)
Seat 4: SetofKs (7795 in chips)
Seat 5: Figool (7115 in chips)
Seat 6: The Riddler7 (12968 in chips)
Seat 7: JayLov (7665 in chips)
Seat 8: TenBagger (10144 in chips)
Seat 9: evanhoff (7130 in chips)
Gibb Stutz: posts the ante 25
RayzorKing: posts the ante 25
Sofia_87: posts the ante 25
SetofKs: posts the ante 25
Figool: posts the ante 25
The Riddler7: posts the ante 25
JayLov: posts the ante 25
TenBagger : posts the ante 25
evanhoff: posts the ante 25
TenBagger : posts small blind 125
evanhoff: posts big blind 250

Holecards
Dealt to TenBagger
Gibb Stutz: folds
RayzorKing: folds
Sofia_87: folds
SetofKs: folds
Figool: folds
The Riddler7: folds
JayLov: folds
TenBagger : raises 500 to 750
evanhoff: raises 6355 to 7105 and is all-in

??

insta call
imo i think ur flipping at worst

yea call
you will of course sometimes lose when you do this and it makes you rethink your decision, but you shouldnt.
Just think about how often your sb raise gets pushed, and how seldom you run into 77 vs overpair situation in SB vs BB.. feel free to correct my numbers, but I think BB only has 88+ something like 1 out of 30 times. you get repushed in this situation FAR more frequently than that. )

he can be doing this with any ace, any pocket, QT+ K9+ if not even more, but I think thats a reasonable range for a complete random. you beat his range and you've already put in a not insignificant amount.

I downloaded pokerstove for the first time to see what my equity here would be against certain ranges and I was suprised to see how well 77 does. If I assign villains range to be 22+,A6s+,ATo+, then it is almost exactly 50-50.

So now that we determined that this is an easy call, I want to discuss a little more what people think the villains range to be and what the cutoff would be to call.

Is drone's range of QT+, K9+ reasonable for a BB shove over a SB open with these stack sizes and blinds in a 50$ buyin tourney? And if so, what is the weakest hand that you will call with? Since it is 6355 to win 8405, you would need to win 43 % of the time to make this call breakeven. 22 against drones range has 44% equity so does that mean that a call from the SB here with 22 is the right play?

Are there any other factors to consider in this situation? I would be left with 3000 chips and a M of 5 if I lose the hand. What is the weakest hand that you would call with if the villain has us covered? How about if we would still have an M of 10 if we lost the hand?

Finally, what are the breakpoints of M that give us fold equity and resteal ability in a typical 50$ buyin tourney?

If you have 22 in the sb, your options are to raise/call or just shove. Raise folding and open folding are dumb.

W/ 77 obv raise call is better.

open shove 28 BB with deuces?

On November 27 2008 00:37 TenBagger wrote: open shove 28 BB with deuces?

The reason for open shoving is if you think hes going to resteal a ton vs a normal raise and you don't want to race it off.

It is +ev to open shove here faceup so if you'd ever consider folding 22 here to avoid getting into a dumb spot, you should shove. If you think raising normally and playing it differently is more +ev than just shoving vs bb then do that, but you can't open fold. Lots of Mtt players recently have started added ~20bb open shoves from CO-SB to prevent people restealing when they want to avoid what is likely a flip but its still better to shove than fold

what about call-shoving or is that too exploitable by the other guy pushing instead of raising?

Ya call shoving is cool too, its what i usually do with hands like QTs, T9s, 44 etc which lots of good mtt regs just shove pre

For some reason this is not showing up for me

ok guys thx for your advice.

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