confusing 3bet hand

Submitted by : GuyRichard

PokerStars Game #22221341302: Hold'em No Limit ($1/$2) - 2008/11/20 21:52:31 ET
Table 'Ruppina' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: _2_4_0_0 ($245.35 in chips)
Seat 2: JPWits ($58.20 in chips)
Seat 4: lucky gato ($111.50 in chips)
Seat 5: Hero ($235.35 in chips)
Seat 6: goose58 ($360.65 in chips)
JPWits: posts small blind $1
lucky gato: posts big blind $2

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
Hero : raises $4 to $6
goose58: raises $14 to $20
_2_4_0_0: folds
JPWits: folds
lucky gato: folds
Hero : calls $14

Flop (Pot : $43.00)

   
Hero : checks
goose58: checks

Turn (Pot : $43.00)

   
Hero : bets $30
goose58: raises $54 to $84
Hero : calls $54

River (Pot : $211.00)

   
Hero : checks
goose58: bets $256.65 and is all-in
Hero : folds
Uncalled bet ($256.65) returned to goose58
goose58 collected $209 from pot
goose58: doesn't show hand

Summary
Total pot $211 | Rake $2
Board  
Seat 1: _2_4_0_0 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: JPWits (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: lucky gato (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: Hero folded on the River
Seat 6: goose58 collected ($209)

fighting 3 bets by calling lighter out of position is exactly why people 3 bet btw

fold pf.

don't bet out on turn
don't fold river if ur gonna call that turn raise

don´t play poker

On November 20 2008 21:20 JonnyCosMo wrote: fighting 3 bets by calling lighter out of position is exactly why people 3 bet btw

true..

but i don't think that KQ is too light if the player is indeed as crazy with 3-betting as he sounds... i think it would be a mistake to fold

On November 20 2008 21:25 maxousek wrote: don´t play poker

why not?

KQo is actually only 50% vs the top 25% of hands. So it definitely wouldnt be a mistake to fold. The other problem here is that i doubt he's 3betting 25% of his hands from utg+1 vs utg. Honestly its just easier to find another table when someone on your direct left is going insane, the variance fest usually just isnt worth it.

oh and as played you need to call the river.

pf is fine with reads given imo

turn is sorta gay but i think you just gotta fold when he raises. that said, snap the river if you call the turn

Depends entirely on what mode Goose58 is in. He's usually a nit but sometimes he starts getting spazzy and tilty and waaaaay too aggro.

If he's in spaz mode, this is fine. If not, fold pf. If you aren't sure, I'd probably fold.

On November 20 2008 21:08 GuyRichard wrote: villians 3bet stat is 25% over 160 hands so i thought calling with KQ would be a good idea hes 3bet me liek 5 times by now

Looks like what he's doing is paying off. If you think he's 3betting your UTG raise from UTG+1 light, you're probably mistaken. Fold preflop, check turn and try to c/r because he pretty much never has a monster when he checks flop and bets turn, and call river given how you got there. But seriously.. fold pre and don't let your ego make decisions for you.

it's actually 5 players, so more like mp vs co. I like to turn my hand into a 4bet bluff here oop, good blockers..

Def dont flat preflop oop, you are gonna get owned so much. And here I think its terrible that you would call the turn without knowing 100% what to do on any river, Id rather shove the turn than.

Fold to the 3 bet. I'd call if it was button vs BB 3 bet. But in this situation no way.

got him back with this hand

Submitted by : GuyRichard

PokerStars Game #22222862891: Hold'em No Limit ($1/$2) - 2008/11/20 22:57:58 ET
Table 'Ruppina' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: _2_4_0_0 ($450.65 in chips)
Seat 2: bluffblocker ($202 in chips)
Seat 3: Gyllve ($30 in chips)
Seat 4: qwertyman1 ($663 in chips)
Seat 5: Hero ($212 in chips)
Seat 6: goose58 ($365.10 in chips)
_2_4_0_0: posts small blind $1
bluffblocker: posts big blind $2

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
Gyllve: folds
qwertyman1: folds
Hero : raises $4 to $6
goose58: raises $14 to $20
_2_4_0_0: folds
bluffblocker: folds
Hero : raises $25 to $45
goose58: calls $25

Flop (Pot : $93.00)

   
Hero : checks
goose58: checks

Turn (Pot : $93.00)

   
Hero : checks
goose58: bets $72
Hero : raises $95 to $167 and is all-in
goose58: folds
Uncalled bet ($95) returned to Hero
Hero collected $234 from pot

Summary
Total pot $237 | Rake $3
Board  
Seat 1: _2_4_0_0 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: bluffblocker (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: Gyllve folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: qwertyman1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Hero collected ($234)
Seat 6: goose58 (button) folded on the Turn

PF call is horrible here no matter what he has or has done in his life. I dont care if he has 3bet 60% of hands and his grandmother just died 20 mins ago. Impossible hand to play up front to a position RR. If u feel like he is fkn around (which most likely is not the case from 2nd position, unless hes just a total douche retard) then 4 bet him a couple times. And if hes just trying to lose his money, wait a couple more orbits for a bigger hand or limp some draw hands. Calling a RR with those cards is just plain awful.