hand from 5400 fpp turbo sng sat

Submitted by : asdf2000

PokerStars Game #21838269598: Tournament #119001286, 5400FPP Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2008/11/07 15:27:26 ET
Table '119001286 1' 10-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: Archem81 (2578 in chips)
Seat 2: lajollan (1397 in chips)
Seat 3: Mmsabrev (1045 in chips)
Seat 5: BillieNL (2667 in chips)
Seat 6: jfreels (1320 in chips)
Seat 7: 00000PS (1423 in chips)
Seat 8: asdf2000 (1350 in chips)
Seat 9: qTTro (1700 in chips)
Seat 10: bollejan (1520 in chips)
qTTro: posts small blind 50
bollejan: posts big blind 100

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to asdf2000
Archem81: folds
lajollan: folds
Mmsabrev: folds
BillieNL: folds
jfreels: folds
00000PS: folds
asdf2000 : raises 200 to 300
qTTro: folds
bollejan: calls 200

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $650.00)

   
bollejan: checks
asdf2000 : checks

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $650.00)

   
qTTro said, "he st03l3ed my blind"
bollejan: checks
asdf2000 : checks

River (Pot : $650.00)

   
bollejan: checks
asdf2000 : checks

Showdown
bollejan: shows (a pair of Kings)
asdf2000 : shows (a straight, Ace to Five)
asdf2000 collected 650 from pot

Summary
Total pot 650 | Rake 0
Board  
Seat 1: Archem81 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: lajollan folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Mmsabrev folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: BillieNL folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: jfreels folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: 00000PS folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: asdf2000 (button) showed and won (650) with a straight, Ace to Five
Seat 9: qTTro (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 10: bollejan (big blind) showed and lost with a pair of Kings

shove pf

BET
THE
RIVER

WTH is the point of shoving preflop?

and could u explain the reason behind betting the river?
what do i EVER get called by that i beat? 22?

in a related hand:

Submitted by : asdf2000

PokerStars Game #21838568653: Tournament #119001286, 5400FPP Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2008/11/07 15:38:22 ET
Table '119001286 1' 10-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: Archem81 (1533 in chips)
Seat 2: lajollan (2344 in chips)
Seat 3: Mmsabrev (2465 in chips)
Seat 6: jfreels (3792 in chips)
Seat 7: 00000PS (1223 in chips)
Seat 8: asdf2000 (1400 in chips)
Seat 9: qTTro (1498 in chips)
Seat 10: bollejan (745 in chips)
bollejan: posts small blind 100
Archem81: posts big blind 200

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to asdf2000
lajollan: folds
Mmsabrev: folds
jfreels: folds
00000PS: folds
asdf2000 : raises 1200 to 1400 and is all-in
qTTro: raises 98 to 1498 and is all-in
bollejan: folds
Archem81: folds
Uncalled bet (98) returned to qTTro
qTTro said, "LOL"

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $1,700.00)

   
asdf2000 said, "at least ive got spades"

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $1,700.00)

   
qTTro said, "34"

River (Pot : $1,700.00)

   

Showdown
asdf2000 : shows (high card Ace)
qTTro: shows (two pair, Aces and Kings)
qTTro collected 3100 from pot
jfreels said, "WHAT THE f"

Summary
Total pot 3100 | Rake 0
Board  
Seat 1: Archem81 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: lajollan folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Mmsabrev folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: jfreels folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: 00000PS folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: asdf2000 showed and lost with high card Ace
Seat 9: qTTro (button) showed and won (3100) with two pair, Aces and Kings
Seat 10: bollejan (small blind) folded before Flop

On November 07 2008 14:41 asdf2000 wrote: WTH is the point of shoving preflop? and could u explain the reason behind betting the river? what do i EVER get called by that i beat? 22?

shoving preflop is so you dont put in 20% of ur stack and then not pair? when u have a good hand like AQ? like what do u do with 77 here? same thing? shoving is preferred imo


and what in gods name are u afraid of on the river that he checked, that beats you?!!!!

i prob shove the 65s same way

On November 07 2008 15:20 nutshot wrote: Show nested quote + On November 07 2008 14:41 asdf2000 wrote: WTH is the point of shoving preflop? and could u explain the reason behind betting the river? what do i EVER get called by that i beat? 22? shoving preflop is so you dont put in 20% of ur stack and then not pair? when u have a good hand like AQ? like what do u do with 77 here? same thing? shoving is preferred imo and what in gods name are u afraid of on the river that he checked, that beats you?!!!!

shoving pf folds out everything i beat
raising 3x from button induces a raise allin from A LOT of what I beat

i make the same raise with 77 there. i make the same raise with anything i play there.



and i checked the river because i thought it simply came down to how often i got called when i am ahead, vs how often i got called/raised when i am behind

and i felt like i would get called/raised when I am behind more often then i would get called/raised when i am ahead

First one shove pre and bet river, if u arre suuuure they reshove light lots in these, then i'd 2.5x it pre to give them even more FE, but ppl are dumb and just flat pre with crap too often, and call too much shit pre when u just shove that i just shove.

Obv bet river, i dont remember the last time i saw someone play his hand like he did intending to CRAI river. Maybe you would do that, or would never pay off - but hes some random in an fpp tournament. Who knows what he calls with !


Second hand how many do these pay? I'd probably fold the 65s

pays 4

even taking massive liberties with the approximate potsizes it's difficult to get the 65s jam to be -cEV since the rate of getting played with is so low, and even then your equity does not degrade enough to offset the diminished rate of being played with once you give the midget a retarded range like AK, TT.

a quick case struct came out as majorly +cEV, and i gave them a 6.3% call range (AJs, AQ, 77) which is arguably too big. you need to give at least one of these guys a ROFL callrange (KTo) and have a terrible image to pass this. i think A2C is +cEV. rough sketch puts it at barely +cEV, but barely +cEV is outweighed by getting to the next hand given payout struct imo since any action pending = a % of elimination.

I think that call range is pretty optimistic given that they probably suck, and the two guys in the blinds are short so will probably call with lots more hands since they 'need' chips.

Dunno, haven't played these fpps tournaments so maybe everyone just presses fold but from what i'd assume they play like its a reaally marginal shove here if it a shove, and people will make so many mistakes in these things and bust themselves when they shouldn't that we should fold.

people really don't play that bad in those 5400 fpp sats
at least not during the week (mon-fri)

i mean, it's 5400 fpp. most people who have 5400fpp to regularly spend on satellites play a lot of poker

Travis,

You'd assume the same about 650 WSOP sats, or PCA sats etc but ppl (inc some really good mtt players) make the most ridic sat mistakes. I've seen countless spots where ppl can turn off their computer and sleep and win a package to X live tournament but instead punt a huge stack and bust.

I can only assume FPP sats ppl are also dumb

yeah maybe ur right and poker just forcing me into being a pessimist as always

first hand shove(or maybe raising is better to induce shoves, but no one bluff shoves in these), second hand fold. there is a video on CR that outlines perfect strategy of these 5400's.

It's so much more +ev to play these 5400fpp during the weekend. mon-friday is filled with pretty solid players, but during the weekend lots of occasional players wanna qualify for the sunday million and take a shot with their hard earned fpps, and usualy play scared, don't steal enough at the end and get run over.

Shaneomac

Are you able to recall the CR video number or coach name by any chance?? I tried searching through but could not find 5400 satelite video thanks