QQ in 3bet pot vs overcaller

This is one of those spots where I want to call because hands that beat me make no sense. This villain is aggressive with very little gap between his call and raise stats (like 22/20). This means he almost never calls to slowplay stuff PF. So he would 3bet AK, AA, KK PF. KQ folds to 3bet PF since even he would realize that playing it in a pot like that is asking to be dominated. QsJs is possible, but then again, not very likely because I don't think he would call either PF raise or the 3bet with it because it is another hand that does not play well in 3bet pots in such situation. Hands that are possible are TT and 55, but in that case, the K is irrelevant. If anything, this board is better than something like T85 since it has fewer possible sets. Since I would never fold on T85 board, I can't fold here because I don't think he ever has a K. Thoughts, or am I spewfish?

Submitted by : phexac

PokerStars Game #21199970489: Hold'em No Limit ($2/$4) - 2008/10/14 19:26:26 ET
Table 'Gyas V' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: ajfennewald ($432.80 in chips)
Seat 2: Hero ($425 in chips)
Seat 3: Nairb09 ($684.60 in chips)
Seat 4: ybs1 ($291 in chips)
Seat 5: nanonoko ($498.20 in chips)
Seat 6: mused01 ($438 in chips)
Hero : posts small blind $2
Nairb09: posts big blind $4

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
ybs1: raises $8 to $12
nanonoko: folds
mused01: calls $12
ajfennewald: folds
Hero : raises $41 to $53
Nairb09: folds
ybs1: calls $41
mused01: calls $41

Flop (Pot : $163.00)

   
Hero : bets $103
ybs1: folds
mused01: raises $282 to $385 and is all-in
Hero :

this is not blind vs button or bvb so.. i think this is wishfull thinking. even against many draws you dont do well. you dont have a Qs. i like fold.

i mean you raise vs UTG. he figures you are strong. but maybe can't lay down AK or 1010. i would think his calling range when an utg open gets squeezed is very narrow. like AK, 1010+ (some wouldnt call 1010) i don't think this type of player will be calling with QJs very much :S or with 5s6s or anything like that. the fact that there was a call before him makes it a little more likely he would call all kinds of pairs(which doesnt help you imo) and makes it less likely i guess he has AK but not impossible!

you think he calls QJs but not KQ :S, well i think KQs sometimes calls. QJs i don't think so.

you bet into 2 people calling a 3bet and he still shoves on you while he has position.

i dislike calling here more and more.

On October 14 2008 20:01 piratematerial wrote: i mean you raise vs UTG. he figures you are strong. but maybe can't lay down AK or 1010. i would think his calling range when an utg open gets squeezed is very narrow. like AK, 1010+ (some wouldnt call 1010) i don't think this type of player will be calling with QJs very much :S or with 5s6s or anything like that. the fact that there was a call before him makes it a little more likely he would call all kinds of pairs(which doesnt help you imo) and makes it less likely i guess he has AK but not impossible! you think he calls QJs but not KQ :S, well i think KQs sometimes calls. QJs i don't think so. you bet into 2 people calling a 3bet and he still shoves on you while he has position. i dislike calling here more and more.

As I mentioned before, he most likely 3bets AK, which means that isn't in his range. TT is. But then we are back to the situation where this board is the same or better than something like 58Tss.

this is fine, just fold now

he's gotta give you credit based on the fact that you cbet into two people

checking flop is ok too

i think check/folding is better vs some opponents. esp vs more aggressive ones as they'll blast you off your hand with a variety of holdings.

mused is weird but unlikely to be getting out of line in this spot and DEFINITELY capable of having KK AA AK TT here so bet/fold looks good

don't like the bet on the flop
I prefere c/f
or c/c if they trow gay bet

On October 14 2008 21:12 phexac wrote: this board is the same or better than something like 58Tss.

not really because the king smacks YOUR range in the face...

On October 14 2008 23:25 [vital]Myth wrote: mused is weird but unlikely to be getting out of line in this spot and DEFINITELY capable of having KK AA AK TT here so bet/fold looks good

weird I have the opposite opinion of him, hes a terrible spewy reg who overplays everything - based on what I know from him he never has KQ+/TT+ I would not fold this to him, ever

I dunno I made a similar play today while paying 20/17/5 at 150 hands. I flatted AA in middle position because I was starting to get too many folds and felt someone would put me on 55 or 87s type hand. One of them had AK so I got it all in anyway, so maybe villain just decided to mix it up once. I definitely think you have to fold here because I just dont see a 22/20 player bluffing his ass off against you. TT or even an aggravated 55 can end up on this flop.

On October 15 2008 15:54 TalentedTom wrote: Show nested quote + On October 14 2008 23:25 [vital]Myth wrote: mused is weird but unlikely to be getting out of line in this spot and DEFINITELY capable of having KK AA AK TT here so bet/fold looks good weird I have the opposite opinion of him, hes a terrible spewy reg who overplays everything - based on what I know from him he never has KQ+/TT+ I would not fold this to him, ever

lol and my perception of him is different from yours and myths

i've gotten in a quite a few hands against him and he's always seemed really solid and taggy