check-calling deep

I'm mixing it up here, basically I'm trying to induce opponent to bluff maybe once on the flop and then shutdown, while by not betting out I also save myself from seeing a flop raise.

On the turn I went for the check-call again just cuz i didnt feel I could rep many bluffs and so there really wasnt much value in betting out or checkraising.

villain is one of the better stars regs.

Submitted by : NMcNasty

PokerStars Game #21181847595: Hold'em No Limit ($5/$10) - 2008/10/14 3:16:54 ET
Table 'Naos III' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: dankness3 ($1270 in chips)
Seat 2: Hero ($1651.25 in chips)
Seat 3: kev7272 ($287 in chips)
Seat 4: DerekJC9954 ($3867.45 in chips)
Seat 5: ba dum dum ($275 in chips)
Seat 6: coldestheart ($192.35 in chips)
Hero : posts small blind $5
kev7272: posts big blind $10

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
DerekJC9954: raises $20 to $30
ba dum dum: folds
coldestheart: folds
dankness3: folds
Hero : raises $80 to $110
kev7272: folds
DerekJC9954: calls $80

Flop (Pot : $230.00)

   
Hero : checks
DerekJC9954: bets $150
Hero : calls $150

Turn (Pot : $530.00)

   
Hero : checks
DerekJC9954: bets $375
Hero : calls $375

River (Pot : $1,280.00)

   
Hero : checks
DerekJC9954: bets $3232.45 and is all-in

i'd call cause he prob doestn' expect u to have a str8 that often and yea idk, hand is near top of ur range

also i think your line is fine on flop/turn, i def think c/c is best line on turn after you c/c'd flop

Hmm if you take this line(c/c to let him bluff),then you should always call this river.

But if you feel uncertain about the river decision-given the stack size(almost 100b left on river)-and the fact that comes quite dangerous for your hand card,then push the turn,Imo.
There is already almost 100b pot on turn, so it is not going to be bad if you take it there.

+ the fact that you are OOP on the river,which sux.Even if it is balnk and you check again,he may check back some 2pairs/pair + fd/overpair and u get no more value.
And if you push the blank river he can throw them away either.

as if this nit is ever bluffing here

call anyways LOL

On October 14 2008 09:12 Rekrul wrote: as if this nit is ever bluffing here call anyways LOL

agree with this imo.

chair spin - call obv

if you were a bit deeper it would be a regular call.

I cant fold vs DerekJC9954, and niether should you

I like how u play the flop and turn,but I prefere c/r on the turn
if u c/r flop you turn your hand face up ,but alot of rivers(like this one) are very bad ,and as gruzerz said you'r gonna be oop on the riv ,and he probably gonna check that riv
btw sick river spot

i like checkraise allin on turn as well

its SWELL

i think his range after river bet = 20% Hands he can turn into bluff (22-44 , AQ , (dont know if he can have AJ,AK) , 20% monster draw type hands (JT , JQcc , Axcc...etc..) 50% sets ( 66...99...7777...88...) 5% suited connectors with a 7 that just boated 5% big pairs trying to value town smaller pairs

mostly sets thought because sets can easy value bet the turn get you to fold alot and people wont usually shove even if they have a T there on turn.....theres like very few hands that i vision being turned into bluffs....neat spot though....

spite + 1card straight = good call

i dont fold

On October 15 2008 22:14 Minsk wrote: i think his range after river bet = 20% Hands he can turn into bluff (22-44 , AQ , (dont know if he can have AJ,AK) , 20% monster draw type hands (JT , JQcc , Axcc...etc..) 50% sets ( 66...99...7777...88...) 5% suited connectors with a 7 that just boated 5% big pairs trying to value town smaller pairs mostly sets thought because sets can easy value bet the turn get you to fold alot and people wont usually shove even if they have a T there on turn.....theres like very few hands that i vision being turned into bluffs....neat spot though....

20% bluffs? hell no, if he bluffed the flop, he should be bluffing turn and river nearly 100% of his range.

On October 16 2008 09:31 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On October 15 2008 22:14 Minsk wrote: i think his range after river bet = 20% Hands he can turn into bluff (22-44 , AQ , (dont know if he can have AJ,AK) , 20% monster draw type hands (JT , JQcc , Axcc...etc..) 50% sets ( 66...99...7777...88...) 5% suited connectors with a 7 that just boated 5% big pairs trying to value town smaller pairs mostly sets thought because sets can easy value bet the turn get you to fold alot and people wont usually shove even if they have a T there on turn.....theres like very few hands that i vision being turned into bluffs....neat spot though.... 20% bluffs? hell no, if he bluffed the flop, he should be bluffing turn and river nearly 100% of his range.

wat..... nice 100% estimation there.

if you fold there you shouldn't be playing high stakes imo

20% bluffs? hell no, if he bluffed the flop, he should be bluffing turn and river nearly 100% of his range.

yeah....but how many hands does he call 3bets with UTG that he can turn into bluffs.....like 22-44...AQ....AJ.......... ........ ..........

On October 16 2008 09:31 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On October 15 2008 22:14 Minsk wrote: i think his range after river bet = 20% Hands he can turn into bluff (22-44 , AQ , (dont know if he can have AJ,AK) , 20% monster draw type hands (JT , JQcc , Axcc...etc..) 50% sets ( 66...99...7777...88...) 5% suited connectors with a 7 that just boated 5% big pairs trying to value town smaller pairs mostly sets thought because sets can easy value bet the turn get you to fold alot and people wont usually shove even if they have a T there on turn.....theres like very few hands that i vision being turned into bluffs....neat spot though.... 20% bluffs? hell no, if he bluffed the flop, he should be bluffing turn and river nearly 100% of his range.

but as people were saying, dereks a bit nitty

He's capable of a cheap flop stab thinking im just check/folding overcards, but i really dont see him throw big bluffs out there very often.

Submitted by : NMcNasty

PokerStars Game #21181847595: Hold'em No Limit ($5/$10) - 2008/10/14 3:16:54 ET
Table 'Naos III' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: dankness3 ($1270 in chips)
Seat 2: Hero ($1651.25 in chips)
Seat 3: kev7272 ($287 in chips)
Seat 4: DerekJC9954 ($3867.45 in chips)
Seat 5: ba dum dum ($275 in chips)
Seat 6: coldestheart ($192.35 in chips)
Hero : posts small blind $5
kev7272: posts big blind $10

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to Hero
DerekJC9954: raises $20 to $30
ba dum dum: folds
coldestheart: folds
dankness3: folds
Hero : raises $80 to $110
kev7272: folds
DerekJC9954: calls $80

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $230.00)

   
Hero : checks
DerekJC9954: bets $150
Hero : calls $150

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $530.00)

   
Hero : checks
DerekJC9954: bets $375
Hero : calls $375

River (Pot : $1,280.00)

   
Hero : checks
DerekJC9954: bets $3232.45 and is all-in
Hero said, "god what a sh1tty river"
Hero : calls $1016.25 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($2216.20) returned to DerekJC9954

Showdown
DerekJC9954: shows (a full house, Sevens full of Sixes)
Hero : mucks hand
DerekJC9954 collected $3309.50 from pot

Summary
Total pot $3312.50 | Rake $3
Board  
Seat 1: dankness3 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Hero (small blind) mucked
Seat 3: kev7272 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: DerekJC9954 showed and won ($3309.50) with a full house, Sevens full of Sixes
Seat 5: ba dum dum folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: coldestheart folded before Flop (didn't bet)

eww

wow sick...