Shove or fold?

The same guy made a squeezzZplay on me 3hands earlier =/, no reads or stats


Submitted by : MangeJao

** Hand # 2219544690 starting - 2008-10-13 22:06:07
** $30k Guarantee[2148476]:Table 32 [Multi Table Hold 'em] (300.00|600.00 NL - MTT) Real Money
Bagherra11 sitting in seat 1 with 12100.00[Dealer]
tompan11 sitting in seat 2 with 14488.25
TULLA100 sitting in seat 3 with 5183.75
Hero sitting in seat 4 with 4948.00
Jacolized sitting in seat 5 with 8480.00
kinotsj sitting in seat 6 with 8043.00
chinese30 sitting in seat 7 with 6500.00
cedr30 sitting in seat 8 with 16559.00
Fearless_len sitting in seat 9 with 9025.00
Flushes1 sitting in seat 10 with 14939.25
tompan11 ante'd - 20.00
TULLA100 ante'd - 20.00
Hero ante'd - 20.00
Jacolized ante'd - 20.00
kinotsj ante'd - 20.00
chinese30 ante'd - 20.00
cedr30 ante'd - 20.00
Fearless_len ante'd - 20.00
Flushes1 ante'd - 20.00
Bagherra11 ante'd - 20.00
tompan11 posted the small blind - 150.00
TULLA100 posted the big blind - 300.00
** Dealing cards to Hero :,
Hero raised to 777.00
Jacolized folded
kinotsj folded
chinese30 folded
cedr30 raised to 2508.00
Fearless_len folded
Jacolized > amazingly crappy cards
Flushes1 folded
Bagherra11 folded
tompan11 folded
TULLA100 folded
Hero ????????????

no raise just push insta.

you are 2 short to raise and do something like fold call just get it in

push with 17bbs? really?

300.00|600.00

isnt the blind this and u stack 4900 ? if not thats one crappy HH

ye its quite messy....... though the bb is 300 if you watch closer :/

ok sorry...


hmm well then its a tough spot... u can fold or push both is fine.. its a prefrence of choice since u dont have stats on him

tompan11 posted the small blind - 150.00
TULLA100 posted the big blind - 300.00

yet (300.00|600.00 NL - MTT)

odd... imo its an easy shove right of the bat if blinds are 300/600 cuz of the size of your stack, but otherwise id probably try to shove it in as a 4bet.

ok first a few questions: your only history is a 'squeeze' he put on you 3 hands ago. do you have any other pertinent information regarding him? just because he squeezed doesn't mean he is a good or tricky player, he could just be getting good hands.

the pot pf is 630, your starting stack is 4948, giving you an M of 7.85. knowing this, after you open, this is never a call, and i think it would be pretty tough to find a fold, as well. you put in 777, leaving you about 4151 and it fully lowers your M for the next hand (assuming a fold) to 6.5, which is still just above the danger zone. if your opponent is loose i think this is a shove, although he probably still has a decent holding. if he is tight, i could almost suggest a fold as you are probably behind a good percentage of the time.

if he has any clue about poker at all, he should be respecting your EP raises, and you are UTG and usually, from any opponent, a raise from UTG is a strong hand. if he knows this and still elects to raise you to an amount that forces you to shove or fold, he has, in my opinion, a very strong hand himself.

i think fold. your stack and M are still healthy enough that you can wait for a better spot to get your chips in.

i hate myself and fold i think

On October 13 2008 23:50 CrownRoyal wrote: i hate myself and fold i think

lol emo

FOLD

That is almost a 50-50 decision with NO information. I would push if blinds were about to go up (I'm guessing to 200-400), the table was being fairly loose, the blinds were being tight.....very tough spot and is more situational then anything. I would need to know at least a little bit of what's going on at the table. A lot of raising and reraising? Who? The big stacks, or the middle stacks? (since you're the only real short one really)

Wow that 300 | 600 thing is a little weird!

well, i dont remember any more^^ but i think the table was pretty "normal" not to tight not to loose. He was the most active player of what i remembered, (squeezed etc..)
I went along and shoved cuz that was the only good hand i got for a while and the blinds were going up -.-

He had AKs and i got crushed :/

i find that if he 'squeezed' and you folded to it just very recently, this raise is almost never a pure bluff. so you're either crushed or racing.

That's actually a really good point - if you make the mistake of just raising, might as well make another mistake and fold to that, wait for a better spot preflop...

Sticking to the shove or fold are better options. You want to see all 5 board cards with a hand like AQ, or just wait for a better position - I might even be inclined to shove KJ in late position moreso than AQ UTG.

I like iakim's point, "first level" thinkers tend to get "scared" to pull off a move like that twice in a short period with air...unless he really IS getting the hands to be doing that, which in this case was the goods.

if you were even with him chipwise and he pushed id always call but a reraise from someone with his stacksize there very often means you can pinpoint him to TT+/AK
i prolly fold vs unknown.