77 late stage 109 $

This guy has not played a hand since i cam to the table. clearly a fold right?

how do you guys play this kind of hands in this position. ? i feel 66-77-88 is tough in theese spots.

Submitted by : Liquid_GoLD

PokerStars Game #21166651648: Tournament #113517522, $100+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (400/800) - 2008/10/13 15:43:16 ET
Table '113517522 9' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: hatchi (11238 in chips)
Seat 2: anguila (29107 in chips)
Seat 3: Patatoe (11262 in chips)
Seat 4: tuyno12 (55122 in chips)
Seat 5: chc11 (5723 in chips)
Seat 6: absinth6 (22047 in chips)
Seat 7: Hero (13285 in chips)
Seat 8: TruePrayer (25424 in chips)
Seat 9: parcen (8712 in chips)
hatchi: posts the ante 75
anguila: posts the ante 75
Patatoe: posts the ante 75
tuyno12: posts the ante 75
chc11: posts the ante 75
absinth6: posts the ante 75
Hero : posts the ante 75
TruePrayer: posts the ante 75
parcen: posts the ante 75
anguila: posts small blind 400
Patatoe: posts big blind 800

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to Hero
tuyno12: folds
chc11: raises 800 to 1600
absinth6: folds
Hero : folds
TruePrayer: folds
parcen: folds
hatchi: folds
anguila: folds
Patatoe: calls 800

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $4,275.00)

   
Patatoe: checks
chc11: checks

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $4,275.00)

   
Patatoe: checks
chc11: checks

River (Pot : $4,275.00)

   
Patatoe: checks
chc11: checks

Showdown
Patatoe: shows (a pair of Eights)
chc11: mucks hand
Patatoe collected 4275 from pot

Summary
Total pot 4275 | Rake 0
Board  
Seat 1: hatchi (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: anguila (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: Patatoe (big blind) showed and won (4275) with a pair of Eights
Seat 4: tuyno12 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: chc11 mucked
Seat 6: absinth6 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Hero folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: TruePrayer folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: parcen folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Also this? fold pf this early?


Submitted by : Liquid_GoLD

PokerStars Game #21166906336: Tournament #113517522, $100+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (400/800) - 2008/10/13 15:51:53 ET
Table '113517522 9' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: hatchi (9838 in chips)
Seat 2: anguila (31907 in chips)
Seat 3: Patatoe (12137 in chips)
Seat 4: tuyno12 (60922 in chips)
Seat 6: absinth6 (25695 in chips)
Seat 7: Hero (25121 in chips)
Seat 8: TruePrayer (21424 in chips)
Seat 9: jaeh00d (21318 in chips) is sitting out
hatchi: posts the ante 75
anguila: posts the ante 75
Patatoe: posts the ante 75
tuyno12: posts the ante 75
absinth6: posts the ante 75
Hero : posts the ante 75
TruePrayer: posts the ante 75
jaeh00d: posts the ante 75
Patatoe: posts small blind 400
tuyno12: posts big blind 800

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
absinth6: folds
Hero : raises 1699 to 2499
TruePrayer: folds
jaeh00d: folds
hatchi: folds
anguila: folds
Patatoe: folds
tuyno12: folds
Uncalled bet (1699) returned to Hero
Hero collected 2600 from pot
Hero : doesn't show hand

Summary
Total pot 2600 | Rake 0
Seat 1: hatchi folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: anguila (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Patatoe (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: tuyno12 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: absinth6 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Hero collected (2600)
Seat 8: TruePrayer folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: jaeh00d folded before Flop (didn't bet)

just call the hands 1 and 2 when u reply thnx

hand 1 - call...it's only 1600, u got the chips, atleast see a flop
hand 2 - i like it...nothing wrong w/ winning early w/ a mid pocket pair.

***edit
hand 1 - you have position and a pair... atleast call and see what the flop brings...he's not overpowering you or anything.

hand 1 - I think its a fold ur not getting the greatest implied odds.

hand 2- Its agg I like it. think you can do anything there. Raising is prolly best though

1- shove

2- fine

i think i fold #1

1- is a shove. he is very short and you beat his range to get it in, even if the edge is minimal by him being 'tight.' his min raise is committing and his M is short enough that you have to push and expect him to call. and despite what eightfour says, DO NOT CALL! this is bad. it just allows him to shove any flop against you and put you in tougher spots than you would already have to play.

2- this is fine, i think but i would probably bet just a little less than you did, around 2150, but i think 3x is fine and even 99 more than 3x to account for the antes (and your EP) is fine as well. nice hand.

people who are saying fold or call on hand one really have not thought it through in my opinion. calling is bad, like giving away chips, since you allow yourself to be bluffed out of any pot on the flop that doesn't set you up, and folding is just too nitty. the villain who min raises IS SHORT, VERY SHORT and must have his life put to risk.

1st easy shove
2nd standard and fine

1. Fold. Tight player raising from EP, and there are a lot of people left to act behind you. If he was looser or you were in later position, I think shove would be possible. As is, those 2 factors combined make this a fold imo.

2. I think raise, call, and fold are all fine here. If the table has been playing aggressively though, I would lean towards a fold since 88 will be hard to play OOP post-flop, and the stacks are getting to the point where winning with sets only is becoming unprofitable. Otherwise, limp and raise are both ok.

eh looking again I prolly would shove the 7's. I would never call though and I can see me folding some of the time too.

I think folding and shoving the 7's are both fine and probably don't escape one another much EV-wise. the 8's are an easy raise.

the biggest reason the 77 is a shove is because of the stacks. this guy is very short and he has ~ 33% of your stack, you have to put your chips in the middle. you are a favorite against all unpaired hands, crushed 66-22 and are crushed by higher, but given his situation he is pushing hands 88+ anyway, and you have to 1) play the strength of your hand 2) take +EV risks to build your stack

Hand 1: uhm. guy that early with that short of a stack is almost never min raising 66-22. same with a random complete junk hand. with that in mind and also seeing as though you're in MP and not LP, i'd lean towards a fold.

Hand 2: totally standard.

fwiw the tjlysiak post is mine

Hand #1 - Easy shove, first it's against a minraise (I hardly ever give respect to those unless I have a good tell) - you have 16BB's and is a nice spot to take one down right then and there. Chances are he doesn't have you dominated with a MR

Hand #2 - Standard for sure, but I think I would stick to a basic raise amount. Some people fall into those "odd sized" bet tells - you may not be one of them, but if I'm paying enough attention to the game some people do. 2300 or 2400 would be fine as well.

On October 14 2008 15:41 chris wrote: fwiw the tjlysiak post is mine

haha sick i was gona say, good post tjlysiak

thanks guys =D yeah hand 1 is a fold or shove imo but i might be a pussy not wanting a "flipp" ? for half my stack =P i will push next time tough ^^,

Most of the time you're probably not even getting a caller - even if you lose you still have 10BB's to make some more plays and get back into it. I think that guy is min-raising light just to pick up a cheap pot....won't happen on YOUR watch, sir!!