overpair with a paired board

Submitted by : CheckMyName

PokerStars Game #20861415702: Tournament #111639428, $4.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2008/10/02 4:27:52 ET
Table '111639428 8' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: CACHO.PY (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: Corbsy (1500 in chips)
Seat 3: moeprobert (1500 in chips)
Seat 4: msweeneycb (1500 in chips)
Seat 5: liam1050 (1500 in chips)
Seat 6: SneakyPK (1500 in chips)
Seat 7: AKA Spader (1500 in chips)
Seat 8: Hero (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: NagyHorgasz (1500 in chips)
Corbsy: posts small blind 10
moeprobert: posts big blind 20

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to Hero
msweeneycb: folds
liam1050: folds
SneakyPK: folds
AKA Spader: calls 20
Hero : raises 80 to 100
NagyHorgasz: calls 100
CACHO.PY: folds
Corbsy: calls 90
moeprobert has timed out
moeprobert: folds
moeprobert is sitting out
AKA Spader: folds

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $340.00)

   
Corbsy: checks
Hero : bets 250
NagyHorgasz: calls 250
Corbsy: folds

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $840.00)

   
Hero : bets 400
NagyHorgasz: calls 400

River (Pot : $1,640.00)

   
Hero : checks
NagyHorgasz: checks

Showdown
Hero : shows (two pair, Tens and Nines)
NagyHorgasz: mucks hand
Hero collected 1640 from pot

Summary
Total pot 1640 | Rake 0
Board  
Seat 1: CACHO.PY (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Corbsy (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: moeprobert (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: msweeneycb folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: liam1050 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: SneakyPK folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: AKA Spader folded before Flop
Seat 8: Hero showed and won (1640) with two pair, Tens and Nines
Seat 9: NagyHorgasz mucked

pot flop + shove turn
people are bad at poker, get your money in

if u bet turn, allin river

if u check turn, probably check river (when FD misses)

bet bigger on turn i think

On October 02 2008 09:09 asdf2000 wrote: if u bet turn, allin river if u check turn, probably check river (when FD misses)

This. You have bet half your stack up to this point when you bet the turn (as played), so a shove on the turn gives him like 3:1 and he isn't folding anything worse that called on the turn, at least any paired hand. I'd probably bet bigger or just shove the turn though because if you bet like this and then a draw completes on the river then you got yourself into a pukeament imo, and even if you shove the turn you probably still get worse pairs to call you.

I think your line is fine as long as you are planning to check/call. Don't listen to people telling to get it in so willingly here in a 3 way, limp/called pre flop his flat call isn't defined at all. With no info just planning to shove and go w/ TT here is pretty bad imo.

Everything missed on river and while you do lose a little value checking the river from hands like 77 etc, you gain value from him betting his bluffs or vbetting too thin.

On October 13 2008 00:10 BigRed0000 wrote: I think your line is fine as long as you are planning to check/call. Don't listen to people telling to get it in so willingly here in a 3 way, limp/called pre flop his flat call isn't defined at all. With no info just planning to shove and go w/ TT here is pretty bad imo. Everything missed on river and while you do lose a little value checking the river from hands like 77 etc, you gain value from him betting his bluffs or vbetting too thin.

On October 13 2008 10:44 chris wrote: Show nested quote + On October 13 2008 00:10 BigRed0000 wrote: I think your line is fine as long as you are planning to check/call. Don't listen to people telling to get it in so willingly here in a 3 way, limp/called pre flop his flat call isn't defined at all. With no info just planning to shove and go w/ TT here is pretty bad imo. Everything missed on river and while you do lose a little value checking the river from hands like 77 etc, you gain value from him betting his bluffs or vbetting too thin.

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