400nl ring two hands

should i chek behidn to maximize the value?
Submitted by : rossi094

PokerStars Game #20153540125: Hold'em No Limit ($2/$4) - 2008/09/04 21:46:21 ET
Table 'Miranda IV' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Weak Tite ($457.30 in chips)
Seat 2: noobelf ($96.65 in chips)
Seat 3: Pharaonn ($732.30 in chips)
Seat 4: DVLCC ($400 in chips)
Seat 6: Body Man D ($451.50 in chips)
Seat 7: knute777 ($384 in chips)
Seat 8: Hero ($412.80 in chips)
Seat 9: ricestud ($824.40 in chips)
Pharaonn: posts small blind $2
DVLCC: posts big blind $4
Girlnamedsam: sits out

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
Body Man D: folds
knute777: calls $4
Hero : raises $16 to $20
ricestud: folds
Weak Tite: folds
noobelf: folds
Pharaonn: calls $18
DVLCC: folds
knute777: calls $16

Flop (Pot : $64.00)

   
Pharaonn: checks
knute777: checks
Hero : bets $44
Pharaonn: calls $44
knute777: calls $44

Turn (Pot : $196.00)

   
Pharaonn: checks
knute777: checks
Hero :

PokerStars Game #20153668092: Hold'em No Limit ($2/$4) - 2008/09/04 21:52:10 ET
Table 'Laodica III' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Weak Tite ($394 in chips)
Seat 2: Body Man D ($502 in chips)
Seat 3: playits8fe ($76 in chips)
Seat 4: Hero ($551.50 in chips)
Seat 5: dityd420 ($135 in chips)
Seat 6: jacqu407 ($307 in chips)
Seat 7: Zoomie66 ($72.50 in chips)
Seat 8: ricestud ($577 in chips)
Seat 9: PeaceDeath ($191.10 in chips)
playits8fe: posts small blind $2
Hero : posts big blind $4

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
dityd420: folds
jacqu407: folds
Zoomie66: folds
ricestud: raises $8 to $12
PeaceDeath: folds
Weak Tite: folds
Body Man D: calls $12
playits8fe: folds
Hero : raises $40 to $52
ricestud: calls $40
Body Man D: calls $40

Flop (Pot : $158.00)

   
Hero : bets $100
ricestud: folds
Body Man D: raises $136 to $236
Hero :

first one is more theory i bet obv.

I really don't think there's a bad amount to bed in 1. 150-160++ ?

second is really read-dependent. is he a regular? is this the first time he flats one of your 3bets? does he think the original raise is loose, or is there any particular circumstance between them? I think if it's the first time this happens, it's okay to pitch it, but if he has been active recently I think there are lots of semibluffs that are a part of his range. if he's a tight player I'd prolly toss because 88 TT make up such a greater part of his range

2nd hand you are %1000000000000 beat. Unless he is absolutely retarded who you have seen making random moves in reraised pots.
1st hand is an EZ bet 170.

first one looks like an easy bet, simply for the sake that a check might kill your action(Q, K, possibly 8,7 @riv) or own you (pair the board). second is read dependant, hes advertising the nuts though(as in 88/tt), or a draw which you flip against(AQss/AJss/QJss?)

On September 05 2008 01:04 rogier wrote: first one looks like an easy bet, simply for the sake that a check might kill your action(Q, K, possibly 8,7 @riv) or own you (pair the board). second is read dependant, hes advertising the nuts though(as in 88/tt), or a draw which you flip against(AQss/AJss/QJss?)

this

and first hand is an easy bet. Lots of rivercards can kill your action or beat you when the board pairs or if a spade comes and someone has A-hi flush draw or something. Just bet now that you have the best hand and hope one of them comes along. I'd bet something like 125$ though so the river becomes a no-brainer shove but it gives them some illusion that they have outs/pot odds with hands like QJ/AJ/JT whatever.

you guys really don't think villain raises a bunch of trash in this spot? it's such a tough spot for us and he has to know this

Hand 1 is a std textbook bet, at least one of them is on a draw and you want to charge them on the turn because many rivers kill your hand or your action.
Hand 2 it sucks because the pot is so big, but it comes down to what this guy thinks of you, if he thinks you are weak and will fold a lot here its a call, if you are unknown to him or have no history together Id be more inclined to fold.

1st hand I bet like $140-150, I never check there.
2nd hand I'm probably not folding, there's a lot of draws out there that opponent would raise with.