3/6 AA BvB

Villain is 22/14/1.2 (240 hands). No history, and I had a quick look at the recent HH on the river and he basically hadn't taken down any pots in the last 20-30 hands or so. And it probably only became short handed in the last couple of hands.

Submitted by : Babs

PokerStars Game #19606367668: Hold'em No Limit ($3/$6) - 2008/08/14 - 05:48:54 (ET)
Table 'Shenzhen II' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 2: JPette333 ($1145.60 in chips)
Seat 3: baddassmofo ($369.20 in chips)
Seat 8: Hero ($594 in chips)
Seat 9: zanderfish ($591 in chips)
Hero : posts small blind $3
zanderfish: posts big blind $6

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
JPette333: folds
baddassmofo: folds
Hero : raises $12 to $18
zanderfish: calls $12

Flop (Pot : $36.00)

   
Hero : bets $24
zanderfish: calls $24

Turn (Pot : $84.00)

   
Hero : bets $66
zanderfish: calls $66

River (Pot : $216.00)

   
Hero : bets $100
zanderfish: raises $383 to $483 and is all-in
Hero :

villian dependant, i fold bcoz there are some hands that crush u in his range

i call because there are some hands you crush in his range

if you are losing i would expect him to turn up with 66 a lot more than 9x fwiw

games are getting crazy enough these days ill call without a read and little history here

i really hate your river sizing and cant see a fold because of it.

I'd be like.. wtf?

Then call.

There's a very narrow range of hands that play this way and have you beat (as 9x usually will raise the turn at the latest).

BUT I find it very unlikely that he is bluffing based on 3 reasons:
- He would have to turn a made hand into a bluff. Definitely possible, but I wouldn't say it's very likely with your average John Doe.
- If he is capable of turning his hand into a bluff and inteprets your bet sizing as weakness it's tough for him to represent much and can't expect an average player to be folding an overpair enough of the time to his raise.
- Maybe most importantly - his raise is huge.

Pitch it!

On August 14 2008 12:14 tomson wrote: There's a very narrow range of hands that play this way and have you beat (as 9x usually will raise the turn at the latest). BUT I find it very unlikely that he is bluffing based on 3 reasons: - He would have to turn a made hand into a bluff. Definitely possible, but I wouldn't say it's very likely with your average John Doe. - If he is capable of turning his hand into a bluff and inteprets your bet sizing as weakness it's tough for him to represent much and can't expect an average player to be folding an overpair enough of the time to his raise. - Maybe most importantly - his raise is huge. Pitch it!

you forget the one where he mistakenly valueshoves 1010 because he "senses weakness" on the river (John Doe logic FTW!)

On August 14 2008 12:53 n0rthf4ce wrote: you forget the one where he mistakenly valueshoves 1010 because he "senses weakness" on the river (John Doe logic FTW!)

I don't know, man.

When people talk about hands like these they add holdings like that to villains range, but when I apply the same logic during the hand and call I'm getting shown 66,44 time and time and again.

On August 14 2008 08:27 n0rthf4ce wrote: i really hate your river sizing and cant see a fold because of it.

theres no way hes shoving TT.. for all he knows you may have a 9 !, or not folding AA anyway

fold imo

Why the hell would anyone valueshove TT here.

Completely agree with tomson. I'd bet closer to pot on the river though cause if u bet 100 like u did and get shoved on, you tend to think its cause he "senses weakness" when in reality he has u beat 90% of the time. I think its better to avoid these kind of situations when ur not sure what ur gonna do if he shoves over you.

On August 19 2008 22:59 pmilanov wrote: Completely agree with tomson. I'd bet closer to pot on the river though cause if u bet 100 like u did and get shoved on, you tend to think its cause he "senses weakness" when in reality he has u beat 90% of the time. I think its better to avoid these kind of situations when ur not sure what ur gonna do if he shoves over you.

Holy shit where the fuck have YOU been?

bet bigger= > fold to shove
bet small => throw urself out a window

call ez

On August 14 2008 15:27 Fraser wrote: Why the hell would anyone valueshove TT here.

because its probably good!

how did it end?

The guy had A5 for a bluff (I called)