5/10 QQ 3way

Got few questions about pre and post flop play.

Initial raiser is 19/12/2.4 losing reg, 3betor is 22/19/6.3 and from what i know he is also playing 10/20 and 25/50 regulary past two weeks, his 3b range is usually very wide but here i think its much tighter than usually. They should view me as solid player, run a little tighter this session (19/17) but usually playing ~22/19 capable of making light 4bet in similar spots but this one is different since initial is somewhat tight and positions are different.

I am actually a little scared of initial raiser plus i think he might come in with 99+ if i just call.I plan on reraising 3betor flop bet and getting it in on most no AK flops. My first question would be if its better to 4b or just call.

Second question is about if its better to lead out or slow down post flop and try to disguise my hand a little bit because its pretty clear what my hand is when i bet there.

Submitted by : napalm

***** Hand History for Game 2132075516 *****
$1000.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, August 12, 06:10:32 ET 2008
Table Simo Real Money
Seat 4 is the button
Seat 1: TrickyRock $1475.81 USD
Seat 2: duomarAce $1125.00 USD
Seat 3: amexos $755.00 USD
Seat 4: trotylion_TT $2881.00 USD
Seat 5: pokythepanda $1042.00 USD
Seat 6: hasuaceftw $1435.00 USD
pokythepanda posts small blind [$5.00 USD].
hasuaceftw posts big blind [$10.00 USD].
Dealt to hasuaceftw [ ]
TrickyRock folds
duomarAce raises [$40.00 USD]
amexos folds
trotylion_TT folds
pokythepanda raises [$120.00 USD]
hasuaceftw calls [$115.00 USD]
duomarAce calls [$85.00 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [, ]
pokythepanda checks
hasuaceftw bets [$265.00 USD]
duomarAce folds
pokythepanda folds
hasuaceftw wins $637.00 USD from main pot

hate the CC pre; throws your hand face up. Might as well 4bet pre and rep a bluff / AK.

As played; don't see what you can do other than bet there.

well i will take it down preflop roughly 50% of the time, and other 50% is getting it in with 40% equity against their range so

i could do some math later but i think 4beting getting it in here is -ev

eh. I'm not exactly sure. my initial reaction was 4bet but its SB vs HJ 3bet, so its not that light. But flatting sort of blows. :|

id like to hear other opinions. I think both options are meh T_T but im still sort of leaning towards 4bet

On August 12 2008 10:49 napalm wrote: i could do some math later but i think 4beting getting it in here is -ev

this 100% cant be true

4-bet
makes it simple!

I can tell you its +ev to 4-bet
and "possibly" you could add 0,2-2% extra equity by calling and then playing the hand optimally postflop. The thing is you don't play the hand optimally postflop!
Thus, make the easy +ev push instead of the complicated possibly abit more +ev call.
EDIT: One more thing. If your up against regulars, you don't want them to think that you only push AA and KK here, so if they call its good for your table image!

Good luck

Ok, then i can 4b/get it in with AK aswell? what about jacks?

I dont mind your flat pre. But i think you should check this flop because your range for checking this situation is far larger then leading.

On August 12 2008 10:21 taqtiX wrote: hate the CC pre; throws your hand face up.

so you cold call any 2 here planning to win the pot on the flop?

On August 12 2008 13:57 casinocasino wrote: But i think you should check this flop because your range for checking this situation is far larger then leading.

Thats good, point for You

it's situations like this that makes me cold 4betbluff like 46o and show sometimes just so that I can 4 bet/call QQ here. And I agree with you that if they consider you non-spewy they're never getting it in here with worse pairs. Porky is pretty good and the other dude, while not amazing, is far from retarded.

poky is my housemate

On August 12 2008 13:57 casinocasino wrote: I dont mind your flat pre. But i think you should check this flop because your range for checking this situation is far larger then leading.

so.. with 67s in this spot, flat pf, lead flop 1/2 pot? nh?