3/6 KK river play thee way

The orig rasier is relativley unknown Hyi_Vam is somoene who used to be a spewtard (bluffs too much, calls too much etc..), has been missing for ~2 months - recently returned, seems a little more solid but still calls about 50% of 3-bets in or out of position appears to be very attached to his hands. On that note I expect him to bet/call all flush draws in this spot / sets obv. My river goal was to shove most rivers up to and including J pairing as well as most clubs - I expect JoseGuti range to be almost exclusvley 99-TT // I have absolutley no clue what Hyi_Vam can have / is repping - . A freezes my value shove, so my goal is to showdown, Hyi_Vam 's shove was after ~3 sec of thinking

Submitted by : TalentedTom

PokerStars Game #19379306464: Hold'em No Limit ($3/$6) - 2008/08/05 - 11:57:27 (ET)
Table 'Dares' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Speel posher ($646.05 in chips)
Seat 2: HT-Max ($652.80 in chips)
Seat 3: JoseGuti ($606 in chips)
Seat 5: Hyi_Vam ($599.10 in chips)
Seat 6: TalentedTom ($900 in chips)
TalentedTom : posts small blind $3
Speel posher: posts big blind $6
Deal 'em22: sits out

Holecards
Dealt to TalentedTom
HT-Max: folds
JoseGuti: raises $12 to $18
Hyi_Vam: calls $18
TalentedTom : raises $66 to $84
Speel posher: folds
JoseGuti: calls $66
Hyi_Vam: calls $66

Flop (Pot : $258.00)

   
TalentedTom : checks
JoseGuti: checks
Hyi_Vam: checks

Turn (Pot : $258.00)

   
TalentedTom : bets $166
JoseGuti: calls $166
Hyi_Vam: calls $166

River (Pot : $756.00)

   
TalentedTom : checks
JoseGuti: checks
Hyi_Vam: bets $349.10 and is all-in
TalentedTom :

Fold

Curious as to ur reason to check the flop?

On August 05 2008 15:32 JonnyCosMo wrote: Fold

On August 05 2008 15:34 JonnyCosMo wrote: Curious as to ur reason to check the flop?

JoseGuti (unknown multitabler over 12 orbits or so) has folded to every three bet, when he called my bet I assigned his range as 88-QQ maybe AK - If I bet the flop it would not be with the intention of calling a shove at least versus him on this board texture

On August 05 2008 15:34 JonnyCosMo wrote: Curious as to ur reason to check the flop?

+1

wow fuck your life. I think this river is a fold tho. There's plenty of Aces in their range that hit. AJ being the most likely. I can see AK/AQcc also in with the fray.

whats your flop plan if jose bets, hyi calls/folds? I'm assuming you're check/raise vs any bet by hyi.

probably fold river as played.. sick pot odds but i dont think hes turning anything into a bluff here...

why are u discounting AA from jose's range? pretty big raise for him to be calling with 88 utg too if hes that tight facing 3bets.

On the turn you it being a big 3way pot on a drawy board don't you wanna bet a little bigger? you're surely ahead but not way ahead of both of their ranges.

On August 05 2008 17:25 YoMeR wrote: wow fuck your life. I think this river is a fold tho. There's plenty of Aces in their range that hit. AJ being the most likely. I can see AK/AQcc also in with the fray.

AK / AQ are 100% out of the question since he ALWAYS 3-bets them, particularly in position - I have yet to see him ever flat a big ace IP - Let alone check the nut flush draw IP, this seems 99% not possible

On August 05 2008 17:34 Fraser wrote: whats your flop plan if jose bets, hyi calls/folds? I'm assuming you're check/raise vs any bet by hyi. probably fold river as played.. sick pot odds but i dont think hes turning anything into a bluff here... why are u discounting AA from jose's range? pretty big raise for him to be calling with 88 utg too if hes that tight facing 3bets. On the turn you it being a big 3way pot on a drawy board don't you wanna bet a little bigger? you're surely ahead but not way ahead of both of their ranges.

I am certain any of these players will never check a hand on the flop that has a ton of equity against my hand, exceptions being something like 89s, JTs etc.. (basicaly pair + gutter hands) hands that only hyi vam is capable of holding

99 and TT are pair+ gutter hands too and u seem pretty certain that its exactly what jose has

oops nm

On August 05 2008 18:30 Fraser wrote: 99 and TT are pair+ gutter hands too and u seem pretty certain that its exactly what jose has

right, these hands have 6 outs to improve, with no implied odds - not worried about this range

man if he's that kinda player then i hate your flop check. You have no idea where you stand, you're a bit underrepped. Since you say he's the type to always push the action with the nut flushdraw we can also safely assume he doesn't have an A that often. unless its like A8/AJ or some shit. Actually those hands make a lot more since now given your description of villain and prev action.

I really think villain is like never bluffing here. It would be foolhardy to imo. He's going to be checking behind a ton of hands that has showdown value me thinks.

do you have any other relevant reads on player?

In my mind (200Nl p) if your read conerning both players is accurate Jose guti is behing and Hyi_Vam never has an A nor a missed draw, any set or dp (78s only combo?)

Will he be slowplaying a monster like 9Tc on this spot or bet it as well hoping you're planning a c/r on the flop?

If he is not spewtarded anymore the only hand he could have on this river, since he has almost no fe are 9Tc, 33, AJdd/hh.

Knowing his bluffer past we could include any other pp which didn't hit using the A as a scare card cause its obvious Jose is folding and with wich A aren't you betting the flop with? So you don't have a A either.
No one mentionned that your squeeze could also happear like total air since your not protecting your hand on the flop and your turn stab is really low given the draws and now you obvously give up.

I think I'll call because except the 3 hand beating you AJ, T9cc, 33 he will turn bet all his one paired hand and bluff the A often given your line.

Any comment on my thinking process will be welcome

so he has exactly AJ, AcXc, 33 or the type of hand u put the other guy on

if he's bluffing he thinks he has FE figuring you for a failed mcsqueeze and the other guy's transparent so that's not a prob

since their ranges overlap significantly and ur underrepped i think you should call

i'd also like to point out that nobody has a large sample of multiway pots so your read is prolly worth less than u think

u look weak, the other guy's transparent and he's betting for value or cuz he has no showdown value vs the transparent guy. from his perspective it's a reasonable spot to mcbruff with something like 65.

i fold based on his timing. no one bluffshoves after 3 seconds of thought into 2 ppl on this river.

it's safe to say im a station

he didn't have a top pair, 2 pair or a set*

how about i guess hands and you give me warm/cold hints