AA or QQ? ftw?

I wasn't sure what to do about this hand at first. Looking back I feel like a NIT idiot, because upon further thought process I think Clam could have easily had QQ, and tried to take down the pot preflop, only to make a standard continuation bet on the flop.

I should have pushed it preflop huh? Or even on the flop....because essentially what did I call for....just set value? Bare with me guys I just started internet cash games about a couple of months ago. Learning as i go, and trying to patch up leaks. Is my thought process right? I was having serious trouble putting a 19/13 1.17AF on such an aggressive move.

Clam Vendetta is a 19/13 (68 hands) and Shady is a 27/21 LAG (134 hands)

Full Tilt Poker Game #7369160232: Table List (deep 6) - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 12:07:37 ET - 2008/07/25
Seat 1: Clam Vendetta ($49.90)
Seat 2: Karo_G ($26.60)
Seat 3: SuperFootWalrus ($82.30)
Seat 4: Dexlexia ($27.55)
Seat 5: H4gelin ($115.75)
Seat 6: shadyJ10 ($51.95)
shadyJ10 posts the small blind of $0.10
Clam Vendetta posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #5


*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SuperFootWalrus [Ks Kh]
Karo_G folds
SuperFootWalrus raises to $0.85
Dexlexia folds
H4gelin folds
shadyJ10 raises to $3
Clam Vendetta raises to $10
SuperFootWalrus has 15 seconds left to act
SuperFootWalrus has requested TIME
SuperFootWalrus calls $9.15
shadyJ10 has 15 seconds left to act
shadyJ10 calls $7


*** FLOP *** [7d 9h 9c]
shadyJ10 has 15 seconds left to act
shadyJ10 checks
Clam Vendetta bets $20
SuperFootWalrus has 15 seconds left to act
SuperFootWalrus has requested TIME
SuperFootWalrus folds
shadyJ10 has 15 seconds left to act
H4gelin: aa vs kk ?
shadyJ10 has requested TIME
shadyJ10 folds
Uncalled bet of $20 returned to Clam Vendetta
Clam Vendetta mucks
Clam Vendetta wins the pot ($28.50)


*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $30 | Rake $1.50
Board: [7d 9h 9c]
Seat 1: Clam Vendetta (big blind) collected ($28.50), mucked
Seat 2: Karo_G didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: SuperFootWalrus folded on the Flop
Seat 4: Dexlexia didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: H4gelin (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: shadyJ10 (small blind) folded on the Flop



How do I add a hand onto a thread btw? So you guys don't have to work so hard.

Submitted by : SugoGosu

Full Tilt Poker Game #7369160232: Table List (deep 6) - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 12:07:37 ET - 2008/07/25
Seat 1: Clam Vendetta ($49.90)
Seat 2: Karo_G ($26.60)
Seat 3: SuperFootWalrus ($82.30)
Seat 4: Dexlexia ($27.55)
Seat 5: H4gelin ($115.75)
Seat 6: shadyJ10 ($51.95)
shadyJ10 posts the small blind of $0.10
Clam Vendetta posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #5



Holecards
Dealt to SuperFootWalrus
Karo_G folds
SuperFootWalrus raises to $0.85
Dexlexia folds
H4gelin folds
shadyJ10 raises to $3
Clam Vendetta raises to $10
SuperFootWalrus has 15 seconds left to act
SuperFootWalrus has requested TIME
SuperFootWalrus calls $9.15
shadyJ10 has 15 seconds left to act
shadyJ10 calls $7



Flop (Pot : $30.00)

   
shadyJ10 has 15 seconds left to act
shadyJ10 checks
Clam Vendetta bets $20
SuperFootWalrus has 15 seconds left to act
SuperFootWalrus has requested TIME
SuperFootWalrus folds
shadyJ10 has 15 seconds left to act
H4gelin: aa vs kk ?
shadyJ10 has requested TIME
shadyJ10 folds
Uncalled bet of $20 returned to Clam Vendetta
Clam Vendetta mucks
Clam Vendetta wins the pot ($28.50)



Summary
Total pot $30 | Rake $1.50
Board:  
Seat 1: Clam Vendetta (big blind) collected ($28.50), mucked
Seat 2: Karo_G didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: SuperFootWalrus folded on the Flop
Seat 4: Dexlexia didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: H4gelin (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: shadyJ10 (small blind) folded on the Flop

I think this is either fold preflop or 4bet preflop unless you're calling to setmine for some reason

why raise to $0.85 PF why not to $1?

its the gay bet pot button at ftp 85 cents would be pot where he opened at

It's so deep and it really looks like AA, I can fold this, but I don't like the idea of calling 40bb preflop to fold on a perfect board vs a standard cbet. Gotta make your decision preflop.

edit: only two buyins deep which is the buyin, I think you have to make your decision preflop here. He's either cold 4 betting QQ here (and other lesser hands) along with AA and rarely KK, or he's not and you fold preflop.

fold pf, your opponent is not going to 4bet over 2 players with AK or QQ here ever. Calling is def the worst possible play imo. (Fold>Shove>Call)

On July 25 2008 13:46 handbanana21 wrote: fold pf, your opponent is not going to 4bet over 2 players with AK or QQ here ever. Calling is def the worst possible play imo. (Fold>Shove>Call)

calling is fine it'lll make your opponent feel VERY comfortable with a hand like QQ, only problem is the fold..

On July 25 2008 14:27 TalentedTom wrote: Show nested quote + On July 25 2008 13:46 handbanana21 wrote: fold pf, your opponent is not going to 4bet over 2 players with AK or QQ here ever. Calling is def the worst possible play imo. (Fold>Shove>Call) calling is fine it'lll make your opponent feel VERY comfortable with a hand like QQ, only problem is the fold..

I agree for midstakes tom, but at the low limits i just think this is a spew to get KK in here. Maybe the games have gotten more aggressive since i last played, but i dont see the opponent having QQ here ever.

You will see AA here almost always. Fold pre.

Yea AA sounds right.

Should have folded Pre-flop, bad call.

Thanks guys.

lol
I have this HUGE leak u see
it's called I don't fold KK 6 handed preflop period
if I was gonna fold KK preflop I'd move down or get the hell off the table because I'm scarrrrrrrrred

sure looks like aa

On July 25 2008 23:04 tloapc wrote: lol I have this HUGE leak u see it's called I don't fold KK 6 handed preflop period if I was gonna fold KK preflop I'd move down or get the hell off the table because I'm scarrrrrrrrred

True but this being 200 BB deep makes it all A LOT different. It's just given as defualt, don't ever fold KK preflop without a good read being 100 BB (!!!) deep. I think you should have folded preflop after the raise to 10. TalentedTom is probably right for 100NL or 200NL and above but on 50NL and lower I'm quite sure that this is just always AA and you can (easily) fold this preflop.

On July 25 2008 23:04 tloapc wrote: lol I have this HUGE leak u see it's called I don't fold KK 6 handed preflop period if I was gonna fold KK preflop I'd move down or get the hell off the table because I'm scarrrrrrrrred

Well like Kilay was saying in the previous comment, being 200BB deep makes this a entirely different story. Perhaps I was playing slighly scared money, but I also had a feeling I was up against AA, so I was attempting to play SEMI-smart money (minus my donk call). As HandBanana so Eloquently stated (Fold>Shove>Call).

i agree to fold PF w/o reads at .10/.25 with these stack sizes.