qq thin value river?

should i shove this riv for value? hows my line up until then? oponent seems fishy.

Submitted by : rossi094

PokerStars Game #18686947708: Hold'em No Limit ($1/$2) - 2008/07/09 - 00:15:33 (ET)
Table 'Ningxia' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: jhd3 ($101.25 in chips)
Seat 5: sjikke1 ($74.75 in chips)
Seat 6: drew5927 ($229.25 in chips)
Seat 7: Hero ($196 in chips)
Seat 9: carpfish ($29 in chips)
carpfish: posts small blind $1
jhd3: posts big blind $2
PerfectSet07: sits out
ssx22: sits out

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
sjikke1: calls $2
drew5927: calls $2
Hero : raises $10 to $12
carpfish: folds
jhd3: folds
sjikke1: calls $10
drew5927: folds

Flop (Pot : $29.00)

   
sjikke1: bets $6
Hero : calls $6

Turn (Pot : $41.00)

   
73MarkIV joins the table at seat #2
sjikke1: bets $16
Hero : calls $16

River (Pot : $73.00)

   
MeleaB joins the table at seat #8
sjikke1: checks
Hero : bets $162 and is all-in
sjikke1: folds
Uncalled bet ($162) returned to Hero
Hero collected $71 from pot
Hero : doesn't show hand

Summary
Total pot $73 | Rake $2
Board  
Seat 1: jhd3 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: sjikke1 folded on the River
Seat 6: drew5927 folded before Flop
Seat 7: Hero (button) collected ($71)
Seat 9: carpfish (small blind) folded before Flop

bet 16

you shoved as bluff, not value

you say you shove for value but did you take a second to think what he can possibly have that you beat and will call?

i like something a little smaller than what myth said so he bluff shoves 45 or missed diamonds

looks like he either has total air (by far most likely imo), 6x, or he stumbled into Jx onto the turn. i think that against this range you should either bet really small like 12$ or shove

Why are you not raising the flop ? You gave him a cheap draw and then shoved when it missed and he cant possibly call you with worse.

On July 09 2008 02:00 EvilSky wrote: Why are you not raising the flop ? You gave him a cheap draw and then shoved when it missed and he cant possibly call you with worse.

against a ful stack i would always raise here. with his stack size, i thought it would be very shitty to get bet-3bet allin. i called to give him a chane to continue bluffing and
because there arent many scary cards that can come on turn.

On July 08 2008 23:48 TimDawg wrote: i like something a little smaller than what myth said so he bluff shoves 45 or missed diamonds

i considered betting smaller, but that move is not really in my 'arsenal' when the pot is ~71 and my opponent has only like ~40 left. it would feel silly and maybe transparent ? to bet 16.

On July 09 2008 13:29 rossi094 wrote: Show nested quote + On July 08 2008 23:48 TimDawg wrote: i like something a little smaller than what myth said so he bluff shoves 45 or missed diamonds i considered betting smaller, but that move is not really in my 'arsenal' when the pot is ~71 and my opponent has only like ~40 left. it would feel silly and maybe transparent ? to bet 16.

it's not like it really matters when it's against a random fish who you're probably not going to be playing with ever again anyway