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EvilSky   Czech Republic. Jul 05 2008 07:54. Posts 8918 | | |
What should be the standard ratio between non sd and total winning ? Cuz Ive checked and I got it over 10x my actual winnings, does it mean I stack off in bad spots or smthng like that ?
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lachlan   Australia. Jul 05 2008 08:02. Posts 6991 | | |
yeah this is my nl100 and nl200 fr last 90k or so graph

im pretty bad though in non sd, so many bluffs i attempt are fails, so all i have to do is just never bluff and mine should improve
i think the ratio of the red line to green line can be at around 4/5 if you play optimally in full ring, pretty sure its nearly impossible for the lines to touch playing standard tag-semi lag fr game |
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ggplz   Sweden. Jul 05 2008 08:06. Posts 16784 | | | |
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ggplz   Sweden. Jul 05 2008 08:23. Posts 16784 | | |
| | On July 05 2008 07:02 lachlan wrote:
yeah this is my nl100 and nl200 fr last 90k or so graph

im pretty bad though in non sd, so many bluffs i attempt are fails, so all i have to do is just never bluff and mine should improve
i think the ratio of the red line to green line can be at around 4/5 if you play optimally in full ring, pretty sure its nearly impossible for the lines to touch playing standard tag-semi lag fr game |
thats a different type of graph |
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Baalim   Mexico. Jul 05 2008 08:23. Posts 34312 | | |
You think its impossible for the lines to touch (meaning braking even in non SD pots)what about profiting from non SD pots o_o?
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Baalim   Mexico. Jul 05 2008 08:24. Posts 34312 | | |
| | On July 05 2008 07:23 ggplz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2008 07:02 lachlan wrote:
yeah this is my nl100 and nl200 fr last 90k or so graph

im pretty bad though in non sd, so many bluffs i attempt are fails, so all i have to do is just never bluff and mine should improve
i think the ratio of the red line to green line can be at around 4/5 if you play optimally in full ring, pretty sure its nearly impossible for the lines to touch playing standard tag-semi lag fr game |
thats a different type of graph
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doesnt change much since its a big sample tho. |
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lachlan   Australia. Jul 05 2008 08:33. Posts 6991 | | |
yeah the PT graphs show non SD as its own line, whereas on that EV graph it is the gap between the two lines
baal, that is pretty impressive but i think 6 max makes it easier to do. for whatever reason, full ring is really hard to breakeven or win non SD, im guessing players like pooruser probably do though |
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ggplz   Sweden. Jul 05 2008 08:37. Posts 16784 | | |
+ Show Spoiler +
hansen says:
did u start winning w/o showdown yet?
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i still lose
dav says:
hm
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im still losing
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tbh
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brb
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im getting drunk
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back
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ok
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uhm
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the trend i am seeing is
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when i 4 table
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i play really aggro
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like
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30/25/4 or something
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right
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and
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with that style
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my non showdown winnings are HUGELY +ev
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but
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because im opening so many hands my showdown winnings are about breaking even
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bluffs fail etc
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and take value away from when i make a VB
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now
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when i play 10-12 tables
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my showdown winnings go up a loooooooot
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but
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im playing a tighter style
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and just trying to get to showdown
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even with good tripple barreling etc
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my non showdown is still going to be negative
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because im not like
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spew trippling barreling TPNK
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or something
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ie.
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i want to show that hand down for the value it has
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and not turn it into a bluff
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but
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when you play the 30/25/4 style
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you're rarely gonna hjave the best hand
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so u fire a lot more
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which is why its sorta the opposite for both styles
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i get the feeling though
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that nonsd can be neutral
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positive? i doubt it
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i think the large + section on my graph
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is like
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a heater
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where i have the nuts very often
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and im just like
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firing firing firing
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if u always have it
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they're gonna fold sometimes too
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if u know what im saying
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so you're gonna increase nonSD
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yea youre probably right
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tbh
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i dont even know
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thats my best guess atm though
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Baalim   Mexico. Jul 05 2008 08:58. Posts 34312 | | |
| | On July 05 2008 07:33 lachlan wrote:
yeah the PT graphs show non SD as its own line, whereas on that EV graph it is the gap between the two lines
baal, that is pretty impressive but i think 6 max makes it easier to do. for whatever reason, full ring is really hard to breakeven or win non SD, im guessing players like pooruser probably do though |
it doesnt change anything, if its HU or its 10 handed your tightness is only relative to the opposition.
I would love to see a nonSD graph of Midian |
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